Would Labour be any better with McDonnell as leader?

[dbboy]

Would Labour be any better with McDonnell as leader?

[titch juicy]

Will you let me answer your question, with a question?

[j94NUFC]

Another IRA sympathiser, no thanks.

[Otta]

Corbyn and MaDonnell would be better off taking their huge youth support and starting a new party for left wing students to vote for.

I supported Corbyn, I wanted him to change things a bit, but he's not strong enough. The PLP are slaughtering him from within. I don't think McDonnell would do any better, although he is better in interviews.

Corbyn isn't dealing with his own senior party well, and he's not dealing with the less savory side his grass routes support strongly enough either.

And meanwhile a Tory party who are wounded and prone, are being allowed to regroup and deal with their own shit without being mauled by an effective predatory opposition.

[alice]

Very well said

[DaveR]

McDonnell has all the objectionable bits of Corbyn and none of the human decency.

[????]

Of the two out of their depth left wing dinosaurs - I think Corbyn's the more decent human being, although I think this, the decency, is somewhat exaggerated judging by the company he keeps. I just hope and pray neither them gets anywhere near the reins of power. But you knew that :)

[????]

..the other thing I've come to see about good old Jezza is, nothing to do with his politics, but the bloke is a thick as two short planks!

[JohnL]

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> ..the other thing I've come to see about good old

> Jezza is, nothing to do with his politics, but the

> bloke is a thick as two short planks!

Gideon isn't ? :)

[????]

Ho, he's just horribly unempathetic, and not much of startegist despite the reputation, which is normally the sighn of someone too clever by half :) David's hardly Brain of Britain though!

[JohnL]

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> Ho, he's just horribly unempathetic, and not much

> of startegist despite the reputation, which is

> normally the sighn of someone too clever by half

> :) David's hardly Brain of Britain though!

I saw the video of him with those children - he was

so unable to cope with them and the more he tried the

worse it got.

[Blah Blah]

I'm with Otta.

But what I would say is that Corbyn has upped his game of recent at the dispatch box. Maybe he's finally realised that 'a new kind of politics' doesn't work. But I still don't think he will be able to covert enough swing votes to win a GE without a major shift in those 100 or so Tory marginals, many of them rural. Come election time, his stances on defence etc will be ripped into by the Tories and every effort will be made to scare the public.

John McDOnnell however has impressed me. He has to cut through the Tory myth that Labour single handedly ruined the UKs economy and he is starting to do that. Given the shambles after the budget that is becomming increasingly easy to do, and Osborne I think is one of the worst chacellors in living memory. He's completely lacking in any ideas or seemingly any understanding of the differences between national economics and household. I haven't heard anything from McDonnell on that level that doesn't make sense yet. I've met the guy a couple of times at Trade Union and Labour events and he's extremely smart. I would prefer him as leader, but still think a fresh face would be more impactful. I'd quite like to see a woman in the role - someone that can deal with Niccola Sturgeon and because Cameron doesn't like debating with women. I thought Emily Thornberry was impressive on Question Time last week. McDOnnell is doing fine as shadow chancellor.

BUT a lot is going to happen over the summer, the outcomes of which we don't yet know. Will a poor show by Labour at local elcetions force a leadership challenge before conference enables the NEC to change the rules on challenges in the autumn? Will Cameron and Osborne still be at the head of the Tory party, or will Boris be holding the crown following an out vote on the EU? 2020 seems an age away.

[Loz]

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> But what I would say is that Corbyn has upped his game of recent at the dispatch box.

He was appalling on Monday, when he failed to mention IDS's departure once. Jezza has missed a few open goals, but that was a doozy.

[Jah Lush]

I have to agree Corbyn's be crap at the despatch box. I think Hilary Benn looks the part myself. Whether he'd be any good is another matter entirely but I think he'd make a much better fist of leadership than Jezza, who I've been a little disappointed in.

[Blah Blah]

Is Angela Eagle leadership material?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/angela-eagles-powerful-speech-mauling-7609958

[dbboy]

Oh please Not Boris, he bumbles from one gaff to another, we'll become the laughing stock of Europe, no edit that to the laughing stock of the world.

If McDonnell takes over from Corbyn, he could give Cameron a real verbal fight over the dispatch box, plus if the Tories ditch Osborne (now theirs hoping) things could be different and become even more interesting.

[Blah Blah]

If the Tories ditch Osborne, they may find a replacement that actually knows what they are doing.

[????]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> I have to agree Corbyn's be crap at the despatch

> box. I think Hilary Benn looks the part myself.

> Whether he'd be any good is another matter

> entirely but I think he'd make a much better fist

> of leadership than Jezza, who I've been a little

> disappointed in.

I am amazed you're disappointed. He was and has always been a second rate old school left winger - I get people were frustrated, angry and wanted change but the messianic qualities they gave him were always laughable to me.

[red devil]

Corbyn was elected by social media, and we all know how pointless and vacuous that can be. He was a good back bench, protest, constituent MP, but that does not make for an effective leader of the opposition...

[uncleglen]

The 'loony left' put most of their energies into going after students and minority groups- hence the blitz on social media- but as someone once said,'if you're not a Socialist before you are 25 you have no heart, but if you are still a Socialist after 25, you have no brain'

[????]

The amazing thing to me is he's still polling at 33% or so - I guess it shows the strength of the Labour brand (and the current state of the Tories) that a third would have him as our PM. I genuinely believe he'd be a fooking disaster for this country and will be voting accordingly if he's up front still at the next election, whereas last time i didn't bother.

[*Bob*]

Agree on the Labour Brand. A sack of spuds at the despatch the box would still get 30% though. The Cons should be on the ropes right now.. it's woeful.

It's been different for a while which has at least been interesting. But enough is enough, Corby should go back to geography teaching and they should look for someone who knows how to play the game.

His supporters may shout four times as loud as his detractors but they still only get one vote each come The Crunch. They exhibit a woeful lack of understanding about what you need to get past the winning post (votes) and what you have to sacrifice along the way (principles) in order to get there. When Labour lose again they will have no-one to blame but themselves.

[Jeremy]

Yep... all the above really. Before Corbyn won the leadership, I said that if he got in, it would give the Tories free reign to pass the most unpopular policies with no effective opposition...

[Jah Lush]

Ronald McDonald would be better.

[dbboy]

that's harsh, funny I'll admit, but harsh