East Dulwich Hospital Site Planning Consultation

[Charlie Smith]

There will be a planning consultation regarding the East Dulwich Hospital site taking place on the 21st of March at the United Reformed Church, East Dulwich Grove between 4.30 and 7.30pm.

You can also view and comment online. The proposals and online survey will be available at http://tinyurl.com/CharterSchoolED from the 22nd of March to the 5th of April 2016.

View the proposals at the Dulwich Community Hospital from the 23rd of March to the 5th of April 2016.

If you have any queries please contact at [email protected] or ring on 0207 525 1173

You can find more about the health centre on www.southwarkccg.nhs.uk/our-plans

and about the school at www.chartereastdulwich.org.uk

Regards

Councillor Charlie Smith

East Dulwich Ward Member

[KalamityKel]

The Planning consultation is tomorrow the 22nd not the 21st :)

[Charlie Smith]

Sorry everyone. It is indeed on the 22nd of March. My apologies.

[ED_moots]

Hi Charlie. Thanks for posting this on EDF. I was stuck at work and unable to make the consulation.

There still seems no real provision for parking or managing traffic. I estimate nearly 100 staff for a school this size and over 1600 kids arriving every day yet only 12 spaces in site. Surely it's niaive to believe there won't be a significant overspill into neighbouring roads. Furthermore, at the preplanning consultation there were assurances that there would not be a permanent entrance on Jarvis road, it was proposed to be used as a site entrance only to get the temporary phase one buildings into place.

Please can you explain these issues? As a resident of Melbourne Grove this is an obvious concern.

[lauram]

Hi Charlie,

I wasn't able to make the meeting and wanted to respond to the consultation online.

Flyer and MySouthwark website says should have been available from 22 March, but I cannot find it.

Can you please give me an up to date link for the survey.

Thanks.

[Siduhe]

It doesn't look like the survey is available yet to respond on line but you can download the survey to fill in from the link below.

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/4490/east_dulwich_feedback

[bels123]

Consultation deadline is 19th April yet there is still no online survey to complete.

Disappointed that such an important consultation is being managed so poorly - low response rates are likely if you expect people to print the form, use a stamp and post to the return address. Can't even see an email address to scan and send it to.

Wonder why it can't be included within Southwark's list online of open consultations? https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/advanced_consultation_finder?st=open

[first mate]

The document appears to be up now.

[Charlie Smith]

Dear All, I have finally managed to get into the consultation. Please try southwark.gov.uk/regeneration/eastdulwich/hospitalsite

I hope this works for you

The consultation period has been extended till the 19th of April 2016.

I attended a briefing recently regarding the hospital site. I have a number of concerns. The first is the entrance to the school which will be in Jarvis Road. As this end of Melbourne Grove is already extremely busy, having the drop off point there will only make the situation worse. I was told that parents will be encouraged to use public transport for their children because many of the students will only live a short distance away. I am not convinced this will happen. There is also the lack of car parking on site for the teachers and staff. This will only put more pressure on parking in surrounding streets even though I was told teachers would also be encouraged to use public transport. I think officers should come up with some traffic management solutions for the northern end of Melbourne Grove to lessen the impact of this increased traffic.

As East Dulwich is predominately Victorian with brick built houses and sash windows, I asked the architects to design buildings that would blend in with the area. I am not against modern architecture and was pleased to see examples of the proposed buildings would be brick clad.

The entrance to the medical centre will be from East Dulwich Grove. This road will lead onto a car park. Whether this car park will be large enough to take both patients and medical staff will have to be seen. This will probably put more pressure on local street parking.

I asked if there will still be some communal space on the site. Currently, the Physic garden is maintained by a local residents group. I hope something along the same lines could be incorporated on the site.

[ed_pete]

It's appalling that Southwark haven't put this properly within the Consultation Hub of their website.

The best I can find is here: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200079/regeneration/3959/east_dulwich_hospital_site

There is a link to a Word document that is designed to be filled in by hand not on screen. The email address to return it to is [email protected] (which also seems wrong).

My own view on the architecture of the school and hospital buildings is that they are not radical enough and are playing it very safe. The building has served its purpose. Lets start afresh with something modern, inspiring and designed to be fit for the 21st century.

http://www.dezeen.com/2010/10/18/evelyn-grace-academy-by-zaha-hadid-architects/

[Earl Aelfheah]

I can't find the site plans online. Sorry for being thick, but could someone point me in the right direction?

[ed_pete]

There are no official plans as yet as it's still at the pre-planning stage. This is the best of what's currently available:

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/4491/east_dulwich_hosapital_consultation_boards

[mikeb]

A little sad to see the onions go but I think those boards look pretty good overall.

[Blackcurrant]

Nice idea to keep the main building as the central focus.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23mk6z5.png

http://i68.tinypic.com/beapft.png

http://i68.tinypic.com/35ba7i9.png

[ed_pete]

Consultation still open till 19/4.

Retention of any of the existing hospital building ?the central chateaux? is bound to lead to compromises from an

architectural design standpoint. The building has served its purposes and now needs to go to make way for

something that is innovative, inspirational, exciting and modern. East Dulwich is not a museum and we need to free

ourselves from the past and look to the future.

[Pugwash]

having worked in ED Hospital - my team were moved out and it was discovered that the rooms we occupied, the floor was about to collapse. Much of the hospital is in poor condition and would be cheaper to pull down rather than repair.

[healey]

Most of the hospital WILL have been pulled down. The retention is s nice touch.

Pugwash Wrote:

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> having worked in ED Hospital - my team were moved

> out and it was discovered that the rooms we

> occupied, the floor was about to collapse. Much of

> the hospital is in poor condition and would be

> cheaper to pull down rather than repair.

[healey]

What's wrong with a blend? I like the propsal, and I'm very much a fan of modern architecture.

ed_pete Wrote:

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> Consultation still open till 19/4.

>

> Retention of any of the existing hospital building

> ?the central chateaux? is bound to lead to

> compromises from an

> architectural design standpoint. The building has

> served its purposes and now needs to go to make

> way for

> something that is innovative, inspirational,

> exciting and modern. East Dulwich is not a museum

> and we need to free

> ourselves from the past and look to the future.

[Newton]

So, let's be clear, the DCC are still considering proposals for dealing with the volume of traffic in Melbourne Grove (south) whilst the council are simultaneously proposing to make the problem worse? If I lived on Melbourne Grove I'd be feeling pretty aggrieved right now.

I'm sure that encouraging parents to use public transport will make a difference of up to one car a day.

[James Barber]

Access via Jarvis Road is a daft idea. I've explained the issues in detail to the new Charter East Dulwich head teacher and his team in a meeting and to council officers.

It would cause traffic mayhem and endanger pupils as well as causing even more traffic issues for residents there. The reason the Dulwich Hospital main entrance was on East Dulwich Grove is that it is an A road. Sadly it looks like a campaign against the proposed Jarvis Road entrance will be required.

When originally launching this campaign for a new school and when I organised the land it is going to be built on (via the Right to Contest) I never envisaged having to then campaign against a key part of its design!

apart from the entrance I think it looks fab. Keeping the central 'chateau' good. It has a brilliant hall on the 1st floor.

When I originally took the campaign to meet the council leader he was keen to boost whatever PE facilities the school would have and suggested perhaps the council could help with a swimming pool, etc. I don't see that in these proposals so will remind him.

Hi Newton,

The Labour administration is removing traffic management from community councils and giving all decision making powers for traffic issues to the council leader. I believe this takes place from May. Councillors will be able to make representations, in extremis via Overview and Scrutiny Committee ask the leader to think agains - but OSC has a Labour majority. So local traffic management and all the issues won't have anywhere near the same local focus.

[ed_pete]

James Barber Wrote:

> Keeping the central 'chateau' good.

In your opinion.

I am sure the cost of converting an old building to comply with modern building standards and the associated maintenance would be better spent on other school facilities.

[James Barber]

Hi ed_pete,

Sadly I don't think that logic follows.

The government has entrusted the Educational Finance Agency to produce new free schools - which is what this will be - for the least amount of money possible.

Keeping the central Chateau will have been identified as a key aspect to get planning permission. Knocking down the chateau I believe would seriously risk not planning permission. But it wouldn't see that extra money kept by the school for other facilities. Losing the chateau under the current central gov't regime would be a lose lose scenario.

My understanding is that the central chateau isn't totally clear what it will be used for. It looks like keeping it will result in much more useable space than a new free school would otherwise have available. Zillions of things it could eventually be used for - music practice rooms, admin areas, language labs, etc. All things that the free school policy tends to regard as very optional.

[healey]

Someone should tell Dulwich College then. Cost of everything, value of nothing, etc.

Plus it's great for a new school to retain an artifact of the area's local histoty.

ed_pete Wrote:

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> James Barber Wrote:

> > Keeping the central 'chateau' good.

> In your opinion.

> I am sure the cost of converting an old building

> to comply with modern building standards and the

> associated maintenance would be better spent on

> other school facilities.

[ed_pete]

James Barber Wrote:

> Keeping the central Chateau will have been

> identified as a key aspect to get planning

> permission. Knocking down the chateau I believe

> would seriously risk not planning permission.

So this is new news James. What you are saying, in your (expert) opinion, is that the building of the school is largely predicated on retaining the central Chateau. Funny, I have never heard this mentioned before, not on the long threads about the two original bids, not at CC meetings and not at the consultation meeting where I spoke to the architects and chair of the school trust. Do you know something they don't ?

[nxjen]

I suspect if the central chateau is not retained there will be a section of the community who will lobby hard to keep it and thus cause more delay to the new school and medical centre which are becoming critical now. I'm on the fence about the modern architecture v heritage discussion. I like the feel of most modern architecture but am equally all for retaining the heritage associated with the former St Saviours Union infirmary building.