Proposed 10km new double yellow lines across Dulwich

[@Woodwarde]

James

If this has been issued in error then I wonder why Southwark parking have now attached coloured posters to lamposts in Dulwich Village advising of the consultation alongside their yellow Statutory notices? Are you sure this has been withdrawn?

[Huggers]

we now have this in the Bellenden area and it has had a big impact on parking spaces. In our road we have four small junctions, each with these extended lines.

[Tuffstuff100]

Great. Nobody should be driving in Peckham and Dulwich anyway. Ban cars!

[Tuffstuff100]

Buttt.....people would endure lesser injuries in road crashes. 20mph is too fast if anything. 10mph would be better.

[first mate]

The extending yellow lines scheme is a thinly veiled attempt to drive through CPZ. There is already an increase on parking pressure in ED why then introduce swathes of yellow lines everywhere, removing many more spaces?

I've just read Cllr Barber's objection and hope the Council listens. If there are a few junctions with a crash record that need these then okay but it would be useful to see a crash map and comparison data for before and after 20mph.

Edited because had not seen James Barber's reply.

[pop9770]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi pop9970,

> Council officers told me CPZ they always insist on

> 10m double yellow lines from corners. So no I

> don't believe this is a drive towards that.

> I do think parking on some corners is dangerous so

> some proportionate double yellow lines would be a

> good thing. I can't campaign to encourage parents

> to let their children walk to school and not want

> every junction to be safe. But 7.5m appears

> overkill.

Hi James

Every parking space requires 4.8 metres

If the proposed 35 East Dulwich Junctions were to get double yellow lines at 7.5Metres that would equate to a loss of up to 280 parking spaces.

Add those to the hundreds of other lost parking spaces on many other streets which have become rat runs or T junctions cycle and bus routes and we are seeing fewer and fewer car parking spaces year on year.

That can only result in CPZ's ..

It's a slow squeeze towards less and less parking.

I think we all know that if these road planners had their way we would have no car parking spaces it would be double yellow lines everywhere and even then they'd keep busy changing them from yellow to red and back again every few months.

They just can't help themselves because they have a budget and in order to get the budget next year they must spend this years and keep their department busy and wanting even more staff, to fleece the local tax payer .. all for zero benefit it's nonsense !

[Zebedee Tring]

James, you say that the Traffic Management Order was issued in error. If the error was a procedural error, what was that error?

[spider69]

Huggers Wrote:

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> we now have this in the Bellenden area and it has

> had a big impact on parking spaces. In our road we

> have four small junctions, each with these

> extended lines.

First Mate wrote

Posted by first mate Today, 07:01AM

"The extending yellow lines scheme is a thinly veiled attempt to drive through CPZ. There is already an increase on parking pressure in ED why then introduce swathes of yellow lines everywhere, removing many more spaces? "

Are you aware there is a meeting this evening.

BELLENDEN ROAD ONE WAY TRAFFIC SYSTEM

Council workshop WEDNESDAY 23rd NOVEMBER 6-8pm at All Saints Church Hall, Blenheim Grove, to look at changes to the one way system around Bellenden Road between Highshore Road and Chadwick Road.

Again not advertised only knew of this from a friend who received it on an email. Who is a member of Peckham Focus.

Again I am away and will be unable to attend due to no knowledge, how many others in the same position, or worse do not know of this like the last badly advertised Bellenden Consultation?

You are right it is a slow introduction of CPZ's across the Borough to drive cars off the road by Southwark Officers.

[alex_b]

My experience with the Adys Rd/Nutbrook St junction is that it has made parking much more difficult and led to an INCREASE in incidents as cars now try to cut the corner more regularly and predictably hit the bollard. I haven't even been able to get a response from my ward councillors who clearly don't care.

[uncleglen]

I often walk down North Cross Road and am now paying attention to the parking as there are yellow lines on the junctions down there. There was a large van parked on the double yellows on Ulverscroft - and I looked on Googlemaps because I can never remember which is Fellbrigg and which is Ulverscroft- and lo and behold there is a white van parked on the double yellow in streetview!

So they can paint as many yellow lines as they like but it will not make any difference unless they police it.....

[ed_pete]

If you want to know exactly what's being planned for your area then writing to [email protected] and ask for a detailed plan. I did and attached is part of what's planned for Thorncombe Road. It's pretty extensive.

[pop9770]

Like I said

Job creation money must be spent !

The new double yellow lines will result in at least 280 fewer parking the real loss may be double that figure !

AND the end result / game is CPZ

BE in no doubt

These extra lines are 90% needless and they may actually increase the speed and danger at junctions as has been highlighted above by others.

BUT this is a totalitarian socialist Southwark council and when it comes to getting tax payer money and spending that money and making up more council "jobs" we the local tax payer are being fleeced and abused . It's a disgusting waste of money and abuse of resources ... and we can't do a think about it !!!

We're just being shafted ...

One step closer to borough wide CPZ even then Southwark road "planner" won't be happy after the CPZ it'll be even fewer parking spaces as has happened in Lambeth and Wandsworth

Totally Disgusting

[Earl Aelfheah]

Where is the evidence of any problem on say, Thorncombe road, or the vast majority of quiet residential side roads? What is the clearly identified, evidenced issue that is being addressed here? There does seem to be a drive from the council to squeeze the supply of parking at the same time as demand is increasing.

I'm all for getting people out of their cars, for slowing traffic and improving the environment, but none of this can reasonably happen without improvements in public transport, which I don't see Southwark pursuing with the same zeal.

[mikeb]

Does anyone know if this is the right page on Southwark's website to leave a comment? The page suggests that consultation closes 22 December 2017 which seems an awfully long way off ...

https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/borough-wide-junction-protection/consultation/intro/

[ed_pete]

mikeb Wrote:

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> Does anyone know if this is the right page on

> Southwark's website to leave a comment? The page

> suggests that consultation closes 22 December 2017

> which seems an awfully long way off ...

>

> https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment

> -leisure/borough-wide-junction-protection/consulta

> tion/intro/

I strongly suspect that's a mistake. Consultation closes on 22/12/2016.

[pop9770]

If Southwark really cared about the environment they would do what Westminster have done and introduce free parking for electric vehicles.

If they cared about safety they would implement pedestrian safe Road layouts rather than bus and cycling madness.

Southwark only care about is fleecing the local tax payers to keep as many useless jobs at the council as is fleetingly possible to keep the self fulfilling fleecing machine going fleecing and fleecing. So they can make one fu?k up become a continued costly ongoing fu?k up and fleece and continue fleecing until the retirement and the next load of council fleece specialists learn the fleecing profession..

Hilarious

[first mate]

Rahrahrah,

The carefully constructed rationale is that it is cheaper to do all the roads rather than having to research each road and put in double yellows piecemeal ( but only where really necessary). So they have come up with the ruse that it is better and cheaper to just do the whole of ED in one go. Hats of to the CPZ meister who came up with that one.

[pebs]

this is a disgrace!

[karimdiatoubajie]

I would also pushback any double yellow line extension plans. It will just make parking extremely frustrating in East Dulwich for very little gain.

Even with the 2m proposal, that?s still 2km of lost parking space. With the average UK car length of 4.8m and allowing for a 60cm gap between vehicles that means (2000m / (4.8m+1.2m)) = 300 lost parking spaces.

There should hopefully be no need for any of these short-term strategies (permits, double yellows or otherwise) if we can last out another 4 years. TfL are pushing hard on autonomous vehicles which will, overtime, reduce the requirement for parking as Londoners begin to transition into an on-demand model of personal transportation (think UBER without humans). It will essentially make taxis slightly more expensive than the train but much more convenient.

As such, parked vehicles (in London) will reduce over time as it will be more cost effective and much more convenient to not own a car. With our current model of car ownership, cars spend 94% of their time parked up which is total waste. Compare this to airplanes which are pretty much running 95% of their lifetime.

The new autonomous-ready mass market Teslas go into production next year and other car manufacturers like Volvo are pushing hard.

This may all seem like Blade Runner nonsense but it?s happening right now.

[HelBel65]

I'm no fan of all this anti car stuff (I drive everywhere) but have to reluctantly concede that pulling out of my road (overhill, onto underhill) can involve an uncomfortable degree of guesswork due to parked vehicles on both corners. Traffic heading north is downhill and often travelling faster than it should be. Sight lines are poor, to put it mildly.

[ed_pete]

Consultation closes on 22/12. Don't sleepwalk into this one. Register your objections to your Councilors and on the Southwark website.

[Lowlander]

ed_pete Wrote:

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> Consultation closes on 22/12. Don't sleepwalk

> into this one. Register your objections to your

> Councilors and on the Southwark website.

Or support. We are allowed to hold independent opinons!

[karimdiatoubajie]

Thanks a lot.Do you have a link? I contacted James Barber but no reply as usual.

[cazzyr]

I am DELIGHTED about the yellow lines. Yes yes and yes again. The roads around Goodrich school are horrendous and no one seems to understand that a dropped kerb is not a place to bung your car. Pulling out of junctions is impossible to do safely if your vision is clogged by cars on either side.

[hopskip]

Reasons Why Residents Object to Double Yellow Lines : Respond by 22nd December deadline

1. They are unnecessary ? no history of accidents or bad parking

2. They destroy the residential character of the local streets ? turning a quiet conservation area into an urban thoroughfare

3. The changes are too sweeping at a time of so many other local traffic and parking space changes

4. They are a waste of taxpayers? money ? because this ?costly exercise? isn?t needed

5. They remove parking spaces ? making parking a future problem when it?s not at present

6. They ignore the majority views of residents ? making a mockery of consulting the public

These are a summary of the many comments submitted by residents during the public consultation in April. However, Southwark has disregarded them and insists that individual objections must be made once again. In their recent walkabout on 7th December, Officers stated that they were not planning to change their proposals.

Southwark?s full proposal with details for the 123 plus junctions is at:

https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/borough-wide-junction-protection/

You can input for each location or road at:

https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/borough-wide-junction-protection/consultation/intro/

You need to categorise each response & you can choose from one of 5 options:

Only comments submitted with objections need to be addressed by the Council. Options 4 or 5 are appropriate if you want the Council to say whether it accepts or rejects your feedback. The options are:

1. I wholly support this proposal; 2. I support this proposal, but would like the council to consider additional or alternative measures; 3. I neither support or object to this proposal, but would like the council to consider another related matter in this area; 4. I object to part of the proposal, but support or am neutral to other elements of it; 5. I wholly object to this proposal

I agree about the point about not sleepwalking into this. Whether you support or object, you need to respond.