Parts of Crawley 'becoming like Peckham'

[LondonMix]

I have tons of respect for any one who is brave enough to have a go at starting something whether it succeeds or not. Its incredibly hard and incredibly risky.

[red devil]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> You don't need to tell me that.. I had a shop on

> Uplands Road in 1993 (23 years ago) when all other

> shops had gone.

> Northcross was sparse...

> ... I was one of the first... but too early..

What did you sell Foxy?...

[DulwichFox]

red devil Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > You don't need to tell me that.. I had a shop

> on

> > Uplands Road in 1993 (23 years ago) when all

> other

> > shops had gone.

> > Northcross was sparse...

> > ... I was one of the first... but too early..

>

> What did you sell Foxy?...

Gas fired Bar-b-Ques.. Paper plates... Plastic cutlery... Serviettes ... Birthday cards... Light bulbs.... Cake boards... Party goods...

Toys... Umbrellas... Ultra-violet money checkers... Extension leads... Motor oil....

.... Anything anyone asked for...

Foxy...

[red devil]

Scrambled eggs on toast?...

[DulwichFox]

red devil Wrote:

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> Scrambled eggs on toast?...

No .. Thats where I went wrong..

Foxy

[JohnL]

Not actually many pubs closed in SE22 but look at the list for SE15

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/london/se15_peckham.html

[Seabag]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> The cost charged includes paying staff and hiring

> premises. You can't possibly analyse it based on

> the ingredients. The ingredients are the least

> expensive part of most restaurant costs.

>

> Louisa Wrote:

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> > *Bob* are seriously comparing cooked eggs with

> > chicken breast/lamb/king prawns? Honestly, I

> know

> > you're having me on now.

> >

> > Louisa.

Not if they're using Lou's "eggs to champagne and cavier ingredients"

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Todays Special:- Scrambled Egg on Toast.. ?7.00

> What a bagain eehh. ?

>

I just came across a menu which I picked up from Rosie's on Saturday, and it's actually free range scrambled eggs on toast with chilli jam :)

And the menu I have says it's ?5.50

Possibly you get additional things included if it's a "special". Their salads looked delicious.

[Jeremy]

Sue Wrote:

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> I just came across a menu which I picked up from

> Rosie's on Saturday, and it's actually free range

> scrambled eggs on toast with chilli jam :)

>

> And the menu I have says it's ?5.50

Yes, I've had it - and it's very nice. Truth be told I'd probably pay ?7 for it.

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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Who in their right mind would spend ?7

> on eggs on toast when you can make it at home, or

> go to a greasy spoon charging ?2 for the same

> thing?

Well I would, so are you saying I'm not in my right mind?

I go out quite often for brunch on a Saturday, and I would willingly pay ?7 (except I don't believe it is ?7, see above) for properly cooked free range scrambled eggs on nice toast - with chilli jam - in a pleasant place which isn't my kitchen and where I don't have to cook the toast and get the eggs exactly right.

And I honestly can't believe what you'd get in a greasy spoon would come anywhere near what you're likely to get in Rosie's, although I have only had their delicious cake (yes I know, I should have made that at home as well) and coffee.

[Louisa]

I honestly believe the micro affluence of ED has gone bonkers. Totally on a different planet to the rest of us!

Sue and Jeremy. Free range eggs (even the very best) served on two slices of (presumably sourdough toast & buttered), cannot possibly stretch to the ridiculous sum of 5.50/7 or whatever other ridiculous prices have been quoted, chill jam included or not! (whatever the Michael mouse that is). Even if you want to drag overheads into it.

I can go to a greasy spoon and get filled up nicely with these basic ingredients, cooked in a indepedent caf which no doubt has similar overheads to these posho cafes aimed at the more money than sense brigade. You know, greasy spoons which have been functioning for 20/30/40 years in London and not overcharging for basic foods. I would honestly, genuinely rather eat at home than be ripped off for basic breakfast items on the menu in gentrified cafes. People need to stop comparing well established restaurants with greater overheads to establishments that have jumped on the gentrifying bandwagon.

Louisa.

[Seabag]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

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> > DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > > You don't need to tell me that.. I had a shop

> > on

> > > Uplands Road in 1993 (23 years ago) when all

> > other

> > > shops had gone.

> > > Northcross was sparse...

> > > ... I was one of the first... but too early..

>

> >

> > What did you sell Foxy?...

>

> Gas fired Bar-b-Ques.. Paper plates... Plastic

> cutlery... Serviettes ... Birthday cards...

> Light bulbs.... Cake boards... Party goods...

> Toys... Umbrellas... Ultra-violet money

> checkers... Extension leads... Motor oil....

>

> .... Anything anyone asked for...

>

> Foxy...

The Grot Shop writ large

Foxy is actually the EDF's very own Reggie Perrin

I'd have loved your shop Foxy, really loved it

Did you have a business strategy of some kind ?

[Jah Lush]

Arf! Was gonna say something similar, Seabag. So, how long did it last Fox? I certainly don't remember the shop. Couldn't have been long.

[malumbu]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> I've noticed a few threads on EDF recently putting

> down other areas of London, I just wonder if the

> authors have stopped to consider that some may

> consider Peckham to be a shithole, and East

> Dulwich, not to their taste? I've never been to

> Crawley, but went to school in Peckham in the late

> 60's and early 70's and had a shop in Peckham for

> nine years. Then and now, I always thought Peckham

> was shite, and East Dulwich has never been to my

> taste. But would I really want to start a thread

> on the subject?

East Dulwich isn't a shit hole, it's just up its own arse! Ho ho ho.

Please take with a pinch of salt and indulge me.

I avoided Peckham like the plague until about 15 years ago. Then I realised it was OK. Dunno why our country cousins need to compare their dull modern town with our far more interesting neighbours. Here are some better ones, Grantham, Grimsby, Reditch, Kirkby, Warrington.

Mostly places I know, some I have lived near, and all grim.

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I honestly believe the micro affluence of ED has

> gone bonkers. Totally on a different planet to the

> rest of us!

>

> Sue and Jeremy. Free range eggs (even the very

> best) served on two slices of (presumably

> sourdough toast & buttered), cannot possibly

> stretch to the ridiculous sum of 5.50/7 or

> whatever other ridiculous prices have been quoted,

> chill jam included or not! (whatever the Michael

> mouse that is). Even if you want to drag overheads

> into it.

>

> I can go to a greasy spoon and get filled up

> nicely with these basic ingredients, cooked in a

> indepedent caf which no doubt has similar

> overheads to these posho cafes aimed at the more

> money than sense brigade. You know, greasy spoons

> which have been functioning for 20/30/40 years in

> London and not overcharging for basic foods. I

> would honestly, genuinely rather eat at home than

> be ripped off for basic breakfast items on the

> menu in gentrified cafes. People need to stop

> comparing well established restaurants with

> greater overheads to establishments that have

> jumped on the gentrifying bandwagon.

>

> Louisa.

Oh FFS.

Why don't you go and live somewhere else?

Somewhere where there are just crap cheap horrible caffs which nobody would want to eat in unless they were desperate or very hung over?

You are in a time warp. Streatham in the sixties with the Golden Egg :))

[KidKruger]

Some of these greasy caf?s (esp. the cheapest ones) are serving highly processed food stuffs as meat ie. bacon, sausage so fill yourself up on it by all means, but you're poisoning your body.

I love a greasy brekky myself, but now that the world has moved on and has better offerings I would always prefer such a meal in one of the non-greasy caf?s. Just to get a better product (in quality, taste).

You owe it to yourself to not just pile shite down your throat because it's 'cheap'.

[Seabag]

You can argue until the cows come home

As long as a sausage or a pie is sausage or pie shaped, then it's a sausage or a pie.

End of, no good trying to beat around the bush

If a breakfast from a cafe is breakfast from a cafe shaped, then it's a breakfast from a cafe

Wine comes in bottles, with a cap or cork. If it's got a cap or cork in and it's full up , it's wine

Don't let your silly numbfuck ideas about where the pie/sausage/wine was made get you distracted from the facts

Your a bunch of micro mugs thinking otherwise. I am not

[DulwichFox]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Arf! Was gonna say something similar, Seabag. So,

> how long did it last Fox? I certainly don't

> remember the shop. Couldn't have been long.

My shop was at 13 upland Road.. Previously a Tanning Shop... and for decades before a Cycle Shop...

The other half of the shop was a Damp Proofing company..

I was there in 1993.. My company was called Seasonal Supplies Ltd.

The shop was a bit isolated and I was paying ?750.00 a month. rent.. 23 years ago.

Trade was slow and I did not want to take on the 14 year lease so I left and the shop was turned into 2 flats.

Now a new business is there..

Northcross / Uplands Rds were deserted back then with no market.. and few shops...

Wrong place.. Wrong time..

I worked as a Temp driver for Dial-a Ride then spent another 14 years back in Telecomms.

Foxy

[Jeremy]

Sounds like a lot of money for a unit off the beaten track, 23 years ago. Must have been tough making it work.

I think 13 is actually residential still..

[Louisa]

You cannot possibly know all the details and specific origin of an ingredient used in a cafe. Simply because a cafe looks posh and friendly and most importantly clean, cannot lead you to believe that the food served is of a different quality or standard than something you could get elsewhere. Or can it? This is ED so it wouldn't surprise if it did.

Fried breakfasts are bad for you in excess, as is anything. I'm sure if you had organic eggs on sourdough toast every day for a year and nothing else beside you'd be considered to be unhealthy and consuming a poor diet. Unless you cook the food yourself, from scratch and know the origin and facts about the food you can't possibly use the argument that food served in establishment A (which charges more) is better than food served in establishment B (which is a greasy spoon and therefore must be terrible and processed). You are kidding yourself if you believe this to be true.

Louisa.

[nashoi]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/guardian-fascinated-by-wetherspoons-breakfasts-2015031796347

[malumbu]

Are you lot on a parallel universe? If you want to digress into cafes and breakfasts then start a new thread and let this one run its course.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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> You cannot possibly know all the details and

> specific origin of an ingredient used in a cafe.

> Simply because a cafe looks posh and friendly and

> most importantly clean, cannot lead you to believe

> that the food served is of a different quality or

> standard than something you could get elsewhere.

> Or can it? This is ED so it wouldn't surprise if

> it did.

>

> Fried breakfasts are bad for you in excess, as is

> anything. I'm sure if you had organic eggs on

> sourdough toast every day for a year and nothing

> else beside you'd be considered to be unhealthy

> and consuming a poor diet. Unless you cook the

> food yourself, from scratch and know the origin

> and facts about the food you can't possibly use

> the argument that food served in establishment A

> (which charges more) is better than food served in

> establishment B (which is a greasy spoon and

> therefore must be terrible and processed). You are

> kidding yourself if you believe this to be true.

>

> Louisa.

Trading standards here Lou

Organic or free range or anything like that can't be mis-sold

The law's there for such things

And come on, what's that 'proper' cafe I love in Bellenden called, is it Crossways? The place where the sausages are the exploding micro minced slightly dextrose sweet porky rusk type. Utter crap but so cheap it's hilarious

Now we can't compare that kind of 'like with like' can we, I'm all for kidding myself to some degree, but let's have it right, hang over or no hangover , that stuff scores high on the crap-o-meter

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> You cannot possibly know all the details and

> specific origin of an ingredient used in a cafe.

> Simply because a cafe looks posh and friendly and

> most importantly clean, cannot lead you to believe

> that the food served is of a different quality or

> standard than something you could get elsewhere.

> Or can it? This is ED so it wouldn't surprise if

> it did.

>

> Fried breakfasts are bad for you in excess, as is

> anything. I'm sure if you had organic eggs on

> sourdough toast every day for a year and nothing

> else beside you'd be considered to be unhealthy

> and consuming a poor diet. Unless you cook the

> food yourself, from scratch and know the origin

> and facts about the food you can't possibly use

> the argument that food served in establishment A

> (which charges more) is better than food served in

> establishment B (which is a greasy spoon and

> therefore must be terrible and processed). You are

> kidding yourself if you believe this to be true.

>

> Louisa.

Well if you can't tell the difference between decent food and rubbish food, by all means continue eating the crap.

The places selling decent food were meant for people who appreciate it and are willing to pay a bit more for it.

If you don't and you aren't, fine. All the easier for the rest of us to get a table without having to wait :)