Parts of Crawley 'becoming like Peckham'

[*Bob*]

You should do it!

The restaurant game is a breeze! Just dish it up and wait for the cash to roll in.

Can't go wrong.

[Jeremy]

Everyone knows opening a cafe or restaurant is easy money. GUARANTEED. You'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Earl Aelfheah]

especially when you ban anyone with children, anyone who has been in the area for less than 30 years, anyone who seems to have disposable income and anyone who reads the Guardian.

[Earl Aelfheah]

... a gold mine

[????]

plus if you two are running it, I presume it won't be subject to the normal torrent of negative comments on the EDF that you both indulge in on any other new place opening....

...go for it

[*Bob*]

How about one of those 'curry houses'?

All you need is eighteen bags of onions, a dozen seats with red upholstery and a Hindi chillout CD.

[DulwichFox]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> especially when you ban anyone with children,

> anyone who has been in the area for less than 30

> years, anyone who seems to have disposable income

> and anyone who reads the Guardian.

High chairs will be provided... Play area for the toddlers... newcomers to the area welcome...

Copies of the Guardian will be made available.

Just bring your credit cards....

Foxy.

P.S. With a new Pop-up cafe opening vertually every other day it seems a better option to a pub.. which are closing down.

[Louisa]

Yep I'm with foxy on this. Very happy to charge triple the normal price for something you can make at home and serve it on a slab of concrete. Maybe even through it at the hipster/yummy so they can enjoy the fad of working to get their food. They would lap it up. All drinks served in old jam jars too. For irony factor babychams will be on tap and three times the value of a bottled one. Bring your annoying kids and guardian newspapers, all most welcome. Just don't forget you credit cards and cash! I'll be specifically charging premiums on cooked eggs.

Louisa.

[LondonMix]

Which local pub has closed down around here in the last 10 years?

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > especially when you ban anyone with children,

> > anyone who has been in the area for less than

> 30

> > years, anyone who seems to have disposable

> income

> > and anyone who reads the Guardian.

>

> High chairs will be provided... Play area for the

> toddlers... newcomers to the area welcome...

> Copies of the Guardian will be made available.

>

> Just bring your credit cards....

>

> Foxy.

>

> P.S. With a new Pop-up cafe opening vertually

> every other day it seems a better option to a

> pub.. which are closing down.

[Earl Aelfheah]

A few have new pubs have opened recently - at least in Peckham.

Lou / Foxy, please do this. I would definitely visit.

[Louisa]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Which local pub has closed down around here in the

> last 10 years?

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > > especially when you ban anyone with children,

> > > anyone who has been in the area for less than

> > 30

> > > years, anyone who seems to have disposable

> > income

> > > and anyone who reads the Guardian.

> >

> > High chairs will be provided... Play area for

> the

> > toddlers... newcomers to the area welcome...

> > Copies of the Guardian will be made available.

> >

> > Just bring your credit cards....

> >

> > Foxy.

> >

> > P.S. With a new Pop-up cafe opening vertually

> > every other day it seems a better option to a

> > pub.. which are closing down.

The Draft House, the third or forth incarnation of 'the Mag', the grove tavern, the 'dog', the heber arms? (Was that longer?). I could go on. Just because something closed and opened as something new doesn't mean pubs aren't closing!

Louisa.

[LondonMix]

The former Mag is still a pub! The Draft House took over from Cherry Jam which was a bar so hardly a long standing pub in the area. The Heber Arms was much longer ago. If you can go on, please do because I don't think any of the examples you sited actually count.

Louisa Wrote:

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> LondonMix Wrote:

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> > Which local pub has closed down around here in

> the

> > last 10 years?

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> > DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > > rahrahrah Wrote:

> > >

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> > > > especially when you ban anyone with

> children,

> > > > anyone who has been in the area for less

> than

> > > 30

> > > > years, anyone who seems to have disposable

> > > income

> > > > and anyone who reads the Guardian.

> > >

> > > High chairs will be provided... Play area for

> > the

> > > toddlers... newcomers to the area welcome...

> > > Copies of the Guardian will be made

> available.

> > >

> > > Just bring your credit cards....

> > >

> > > Foxy.

> > >

> > > P.S. With a new Pop-up cafe opening vertually

> > > every other day it seems a better option to a

> > > pub.. which are closing down.

>

> The Draft House, the third or forth incarnation of

> 'the Mag', the grove tavern, the 'dog', the heber

> arms? (Was that longer?). I could go on. Just

> because something closed and opened as something

> new doesn't mean pubs aren't closing!

>

> Louisa.

[*Bob*]

Louisa Wrote:

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Just because something closed and opened as something

> new doesn't mean pubs aren't closing!

Good point. Don't forget that all pubs 'close' every night as well (despite opening the next morning).

So - unfortunately - all pubs are closing. Fact.

[LondonMix]

Yes, by that logic, restaurants aren't a safe bet either Lou. Many of those have closed down and changed hands in the last 10 years.

[Louisa]

I guess I am imagining that the Grove tavern and 'dog' have vanished from our long list of public houses. Silly me!

Louisa.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The Hope is an entirely new pub. John the Unicorn was not previously a licenced premises either - so there's two new pubs. Hops, Burns & Black - is a beer shop rather than pub, but also entirely new. Then there is the Flying Pig which was previously an italian resturant, now much more of a pub with food. There is also peckham Springs, Four Quaters, the Nines and I'm sure many others.

[Earl Aelfheah]

...Heber Arms has been closed for over 20 years.

[*Bob*]

Maybe so.

But we lost the Harvester. And that - is a a tragedy.

[LondonMix]

The Grove Tavern burnt down in a fire didn't it? And the Dog will reopen after the work to upstairs. Not sure how pub like it will feel with the hotel at the top but its not closing permanently.

Anyway-- have fun opening up your risk free restaurant that's safer than a pub investment.

[DulwichFox]

Britain?s pubs are closing at a rate of 29 a week ? and London and the South East are the hardest hit.

The Campaign for Real Ale said the region has seen weekly closures rise by 11 per cent in a year to 10

10 pubs a week in London and the South East closing down.. That is sad..

Foxy

[DulwichFox]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Yes, by that logic, restaurants aren't a safe bet

> either Lou. Many of those have closed down and

> changed hands in the last 10 years.

That is because people arn't willing to put in the hours... Opening when they feel fit.. Closing when they arn't busy.

Owning such a business IS hard work.. but people opening Pop-ups trying to make a quick buck.

Places like The Curry Cabin.. 40+ years trading on Lordship Lane ..Same owner.. Staying open when not busy..

Does anyone think ANY of these new places will still be here in 40 years time..

Any business lasting 40+ years has got to of got it right especially where there is so much compitition..

I don't think so .

[Jeremy]

To be fair, plenty of pubs are closing down (Hoopers and Oglander to name a couple more). Changing tastes, changing habits.. very difficult to make a trad boozer work these days.

Families tend to do things together more than they did in the previous generations. Hence the rise in family friendly restaurants, cafes and pubs.

['bout now]

Actually, don't bother rinsing. Just repeat, over and over again.

[LondonMix]

I don't dispute that but pubs and high streets in general are suffering throughout the country. In this little micro area both the high street and pubs are doing relatively well though running any business is far riskier and much harder work the DF and Louisa (I am sure firmly tongue in cheek) are suggesting.

Jeremy Wrote:

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> To be fair, plenty of pubs are closing down

> (Hoopers and Oglander to name a couple more).

> Changing tastes, changing habits.. very difficult

> to make a trad boozer work these days.

>

> Families tend to do things together more than they

> did in the previous generations. Hence the rise in

> family friendly restaurants, cafes and pubs.

[DulwichFox]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> I don't dispute that but pubs and high streets in

> general are suffering throughout the country. In

> this little micro area both the high street and

> pubs are doing relatively well though running any

> business is far riskier and much harder work the

> DF and Louisa (I am sure firmly tongue in cheek)

> are suggesting.

>

> Jeremy Wrote:

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> > To be fair, plenty of pubs are closing down

> > (Hoopers and Oglander to name a couple more).

> > Changing tastes, changing habits.. very

> difficult

> > to make a trad boozer work these days.

> >

> > Families tend to do things together more than

> they

> > did in the previous generations. Hence the rise

> in

> > family friendly restaurants, cafes and pubs.

You don't need to tell me that.. I had a shop on Uplands Road in 1993 (23 years ago) when all other shops had gone.

Northcross was sparse...

... I was one of the first... but too early..

DulwichFox