Parts of Crawley 'becoming like Peckham'

[rupert james]

And the top picture is the gentrified part of Rye Lane

[Jeremy]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> You weren't in tbe Rye on Saturday afternoon in

> that case. Plenty of wannabee rugger buggers.

Right then... time to move to Penge.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Crawley looks lovely in that picture.

Peckham's a funny one. Everyone moans about how it's becoming so gentrified, but frankly, if Rye Lane is a symbol of gentrification, you have to wonder what people consider 'run down'.

[????]

Rye Lane isn't gentrified - it's just become 'very hip' partly because of the 'edgy Frisson' of the name 'Peckham' that's an early indication that it will get gentrified rather than it's Fulham

[Jeremy]

Bellenden Rd is gentrified. As ? says... while there's a trendy element around Rye Lane, ED-style gentrification seems remote to say the least.

[JohnL]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Jeremy Wrote:

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> > Yeah.. but parts of Shoreditch and Hackney look

> > really smart these days, and I think some

> people

> > roll into Peckham expecting similar levels of

> > gentrification - and get a bit of a shock.

> Which

> > is fine with me... keeps the

> Clapham/Hackett/Rubgy

> > boys away.

>

> You weren't in tbe Rye on Saturday afternoon in

> that case. Plenty of wannabee rugger buggers.

Kings College Hospital RFU doesn't count though :)

Nor the non English (different culture you see)

[LondonMix]

Peckham Rye is very gentrified. Bellenden rd is very similar to ED and its spreading to Rye Lane and surrounds at a fairly rapid clip. The fact is Rye Lane does not just serve Peckham, its one of the major hubs for the wider Afro-Carribean community in London. People come from all over to get food and hair etc there. That means the demographics of Rye Lane don't really match the demographics of the Peckham Rye area though each new scheme that's proposed is tossing out the existing retailers and brining in a more up-market offering. There are two such planning schemes in the works at the moment. Also, even without specific redevelopment, the South End of Rye Lane is quickly transforming becoming a food hub that is a far cry to what it was before-- in two years Rosie, Mr Boa, a new Vietnamese place, Spike, Peddar, Blue Tit (which is hair but still) have all opened in less than 2 years.

The only thing I wonder is if there is enough demand to keep all the shops in Bellenden open if Rye Lane were to only offer upmarket fair as well. That would be a lot of shops in addition to the ones sprinkled throughout Peckham Rye already like Ms Tapas, Artusi, Peckham Refreshment Rooms, etc.

[DulwichFox]

LondonMix Wrote:

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Rye Lane is quickly transforming becoming a food hub that is a far cry to what it was before-- in two years Rosie, Mr Boa, a new Vietnamese place, Spike, Peddar, Blue Tit (which is hair but still) have all opened in less than 2 years.

Yes.. I saw Rosie why out walking the other day..

Todays Special:- Scrambled Egg on Toast.. ?7.00 What a bagain eehh. ?

DulwichFox

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> LondonMix Wrote:

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> Rye Lane is quickly transforming becoming a food

> hub that is a far cry to what it was before-- in

> two years Rosie, Mr Boa, a new Vietnamese place,

> Spike, Peddar, Blue Tit (which is hair but still)

> have all opened in less than 2 years.

>

> Yes.. I saw Rosie why out walking the other day..

>

> Todays Special:- Scrambled Egg on Toast.. ?7.00

> What a bagain eehh. ?

Rosie's is great.

Maybe try the scrambled egg on toast before moaning about the price?

If it's crap and small, then you have a reason to moan.

If it's delicious and a decent size, then you look pretty silly.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Rosie's is very nice.

[????]

"Price of everything, value of nothing"

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > LondonMix Wrote:

> >

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> > Rye Lane is quickly transforming becoming a

> food

> > hub that is a far cry to what it was before--

> in

> > two years Rosie, Mr Boa, a new Vietnamese

> place,

> > Spike, Peddar, Blue Tit (which is hair but

> still)

> > have all opened in less than 2 years.

> >

> > Yes.. I saw Rosie why out walking the other

> day..

> >

> > Todays Special:- Scrambled Egg on Toast.. ?7.00

>

> > What a bagain eehh. ?

>

>

> Rosie's is great.

>

> Maybe try the scrambled egg on toast before

> moaning about the price?

>

> If it's crap and small, then you have a reason to

> moan.

>

> If it's delicious and a decent size, then you look

> pretty silly.

I would Feel a lot sillier if I had just spent ?7.00 for scrambled egg on toast .. However good it was..

After all, it's not something I cannot do myself.. and know it will be good..

Foxy

Foxy..

[Huggers]

Louisa, Hackney was terrifying and shit in the late eighties to nineties, even Stoke Newington despite its quaint looks; it didn't start from a higher ground than Peckham. Crossing Southgate Road from Islington to Hackney,identical residential streets but in postcodes just separated by yards, filled us with as much bourgeois trembling as ever beset an East Dulwicher venturing across East Dulwich Road into SE15. Every dog has its day and every part of London will experience up and down. I am old enough to remember Notting Hill in the sixties and seventies and it was very down in the mouth. I expect the Kensington crowd were apoplectic with mirth when the 'pioneers' started talking about it as interesting and eclectic.

[Sue]

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> "Price of everything, value of nothing"

Yep.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I would Feel a lot sillier if I had just spent

> ?7.00 for scrambled egg on toast .. However good

> it was..

>

> After all, it's not something I cannot do myself..

> and know it will be good..

>

Why do you bother ever going out?!

You could just sit at home all day, cook every meal for yourself, and drink a pint or two in the evening much cheaper than going out for it.

If you used paper plates and cups, you wouldn't even have to wash up :))

[Louisa]

Huggers Wrote:

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> Louisa, Hackney was terrifying and shit in the

> late eighties to nineties, even Stoke Newington

> despite its quaint looks; it didn't start from a

> higher ground than Peckham. Crossing Southgate

> Road from Islington to Hackney,identical

> residential streets but in postcodes just

> separated by yards, filled us with as much

> bourgeois trembling as ever beset an East

> Dulwicher venturing across East Dulwich Road into

> SE15. Every dog has its day and every part of

> London will experience up and down. I am old

> enough to remember Notting Hill in the sixties and

> seventies and it was very down in the mouth. I

> expect the Kensington crowd were apoplectic with

> mirth when the 'pioneers' started talking about it

> as interesting and eclectic.

Oh absolutely agree there. Hackney and 'Stokey' as the locals call it, took a very similar path to Peckham through the late 1970's onwards. Hackney was certainly on a par with Peckham for inner city deprivation and crime rates absolutely. Hackney possibly maintained more high street big chains than Peckham managed, and therefore the first appearances would probably be that Hackney was as down at heel as Peckham appeared (at face value). Nonetheless, neither were great areas. Hackney started its gentrication a reasonable while before the 2011 riots though, and being north of the river isn't as historically isolated as Peckham has been. I think Rye Lane will catch up with Peckham Rye side roads in the coming years, and we will probably see the foodie side of things taking off dramatically along the lane (even certain chains are moving in, unheard of even five years back).

Louisa.

[Louisa]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> LondonMix Wrote:

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> Rye Lane is quickly transforming becoming a food

> hub that is a far cry to what it was before-- in

> two years Rosie, Mr Boa, a new Vietnamese place,

> Spike, Peddar, Blue Tit (which is hair but still)

> have all opened in less than 2 years.

>

> Yes.. I saw Rosie why out walking the other day..

>

> Todays Special:- Scrambled Egg on Toast.. ?7.00

> What a bagain eehh. ?

>

> DulwichFox

I have to say I've walked past it a few times in the year or so it's been open, and it does look very nice (and clean) from the outside. I've been tempted to pop in and try a cake or sandwich but I'm afraid it's just not for me. I couldn't justify spending ?7 on 'eggs on toast' when as you say fox, I could easily make the same thing at home to the same standard. For ?7 I expect a builders breakfast with double everything, free tea/coffee refills and unlimited toast. I just can't for the life of me understand why anyone would spend that much on something so basic. Odd.

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

I can't understand why anyone would pay ?12 for a bog-standard 'curry' on Lordship Lane - when you can cook something much more interesting and nicer at home for a quarter of the price, but people do. Beats me. Seriously!

Ultimately though, I guess it's up to others how they spend both their time in the kitchen and their money out in restaurants and cafes, so I try not to make-out that my choices are somehow more justifiable than others.

[Earl Aelfheah]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> I can't understand why anyone would pay ?12 for a

> bog-standard 'curry' on Lordship Lane - when you

> can cook something much more interesting and nicer

> at home for a quarter of the price, but people do.

> Beats me. Seriously!

Because I have young children, a stressful job and I don't get enough sleep. Sometimes it's nice not to have to cook.

[miga]

I think *Bob* may have been "flippin da script" on DF as young people maybe used to say in the 90s. Allegedly.

[*Bob*]

So what you're saying is that - despite being able to cook something at home that could possibly be better - and is almost certainly a lot cheaper - sometimes having someone cook it for you is the preferred option?

I think I'm saying that as well.

[Jeremy]

Is this "bullying"?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Sorry, I didn't actually read much of this thread and think I may have missed your point Bob.

[*Bob*]

Call the police, Jeremy. CALL THE POLICE.

I should say this is not actually aimed at Foxy, despite his coincidental fondness for the places. My disinterest in our local curry house offerings is longstanding. But then I like cooking curry. A lot.

One man's scrambled egg is another man's curry.

[Louisa]

*Bob* come over mine and I'll knock you up scrambled eggs on toast and I won't charge ?7, in fact I won't charge a penny! Because three free range eggs mixed with butter/milk and served on two slices of fancy toasted bread (even the poshest bread in the world) doesn't take seven smackers out of my bank account to make! Quite simple.

Louisa.