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" agree as well but Labour are losing control of the narrative on every single policy they have announced." I think this is the key point - but maybe not in way we would agree on. I disagree they are in a hole not dissimilar to where Tories found themselves - that govt had a largely supportive media but had very little talent left after the Johnson post Brexit purges, had no idea what it WANTED to do much less how and just drifted and drifted I think Labour have a good idea of what they want to do and have enough talent to do it So why the bad comms? When you have most of the media and the likes of Musk lined up against you is it even worth pretending they won't try and spin every bit of comms you might produce? I agree they need to be better - but I'm not sure even a comms wizard will outpace the 2024 world of twitter/x and British media. So I wonder if they are ploughing on regardless with what needs doing and trusting people to notice results. I don't really know but I don't think it's a simple as "Labour bad at comms" -
I agree as well but Labour are losing control of the narrative on every single policy they have announced. And that is incredibly dangerous for them. After 120 days they find themselves peering into a hole not dissimilar to that the hole the Tories found themselves in - a hole so deep (of their own making) that there was no way they were going to be able to convince anyone anything they were doing was good. Unfortunately, the easily led, vocal and angry are the people who often determine the outcome of an election and, as Labour are finding to their cost right now, they are also the quickest to turn. This is why the "no tax increases on working people" was an absolute ticking time-bomb that Labour planted on themselves. Completely agree but I fear we are heading for repeated one-term governments - which seems to be a global trend post pandemic - people no longer have patience with political parties or politicians - they want change now but Covid, the oil crisis, geo-political challenges and war mean that change will be likely be generational - there are no quick fixes anymore. -
I took the JSON into Alteryx and ran some tools against it - but I did make that mistake of counting 4 rows per country instead of the 3 But materially you were still essentially correct "Whatever the true situation the fact that this petition is getting such traction suggests the government are struggling to cut through - which they are." there will be be some headlines no doubt - and in no way am I claiming Labour are perfect - I disagree with them on several issues and as I say I didn't even vote for them. But unlike others I think they are doing a better job than headlines suggest and I would argue - strongly - that the levels of dissatisfaction are down to : 1 - unrealistic voter expectations. Given global headwinds there are no easy fixes - so sure you could throw every govt out at drop of a hat if you are an unhappy electorate but you should also be aware that you will be making things worse and it will be your fault 2 - there are several actors (Musk and his obvious targeting) and a portion of the population (the worst elements of the express/mail readership, many reform voters etc) who, as shown by [insert high scoring scrabble name here] are barely in touch with reality, easily led and extremely vocal and angry - constantly I think MOST of the electorate, either now or in time, will accept there are no easy answers but are keeping a watch on how Labour handles these challenges - but won't be signing any petitions like this (imagine if the petition DID topple the govt and an election was held and someone else got in - only for another petition to do the same thing all over again. rinse and repeat every few months forever. Complete madness) "The Democrats tried that in the US election and it backfired massively - why? Because swing voters and some who you would expect to be die-hard Democrats voted for Trump because they weren't hearing anything of substance from the Democrats about the things that mattered to them." See as time goes on I reject this more and more - because every allegation thrown at Democrats (old, infirm, lacking substance) can be thrown at Trump (and then some, plus without the dangerous sides) - so it can't be just that. I'm inclined to lean more towards enough of US voters not wanting a woman in power - one time Dems put a man against Trump they won
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Malumbu, yes there are some extreme views being voiced on this thread (many of which I do not agree with - on both sides I hasten to add) but do not try to pigeon-hole people as lunatic fringes. The Democrats tried that in the US election and it backfired massively - why? Because swing voters and some who you would expect to be die-hard Democrats voted for Trump because they weren't hearing anything of substance from the Democrats about the things that mattered to them. And this is the very threat we all face from populism - that populists throw dog whistles out to anyone and everyone on the basis that "the incumbents aren't listening to you/are ignoring you". In fact, the tactic that Labour used in the election campaign to blame everything on Tory incompetence and corruption is now being played back to them. I think the government has 6 - 9 months to try and stop this turning into a massive train-wreck of a parliament and we all have to hope they can do so because the alternative direction of travel is an absolute disaster in waiting. I often say it's the people who do not need to say anything who are benefiting the most at a time of crisis - be wary when your political opponents are letting you do all the talking (and this applies in equal measure to people outside and inside your own party).
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