Secondary school places offer day

[RoboR]

Well I was at Kingsdale on sat for the maths assessments and I did ask about the waiting lists (They will not know until thursday ?) and it should still be 20 per class ?? (Even though a extra 120 intake ?)..........hmmmmmmm

[Belle]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> I don't think anyone has said the area is short of

> places. The new secondary will ultimately be 8

> form entry. I don't believe we've ever had 8

> primary schools bulging simultaneously in this

> general area (before all the new openings and

> expansions). So the new Charter School should at

> worst maintain the status quo catchment sizes from

> before it opened and probably expand the

> catchments of the other schools moderately despite

> the bulge in secondary demand that is coming.

I'd be interested to know how many local schools bulged for the current year 4s (given some of those schools were already three form entry) - I have a feeling it was quite a lot. Also re status quo, this does assume that a single sex offer is acceptable to everyone.

[LondonMix]

I didn't say anything about how happy people would be- just that it shouldn't get worse than before Charter opened. There is a long discussion up thread on the single sex issue. New schools can't be opened just because parents don't like single sex even if there are sufficient places in the system. That would be disastrously wasteful-- we asked Renata about some of the existing single sex schools converting to co-ed. Some of the co-ed options locally are the most undersubscribed so the case for that isn't crystal clear...

Anyhow, if 8 local primary schools have ever budged simultaneously it would be interesting to know when that happened. I don't remember it ever being the case but it might pre-date before I started paying attention.

[landsberger]

> I'd be interested to know how many local schools

> bulged for the current year 4s (given some of

> those schools were already three form entry) - I

> have a feeling it was quite a lot. Also re status

> quo, this does assume that a single sex offer is

> acceptable to everyone.

I don't know how many schools bulged in 2012/13 (this was the last big [previous) "bulge" year) (I am sure an FoI would reveal this quite quickly) but remember that from year to year, children usually drift away - looking at figures for a nearby borough, I notice that the schools in that borough lost around 110 overall (nearly 4FE) over the 7 years from R to 6.

I think single sex education tends to be most attractive to people who want single sex education for girls. I don't get the same yen for single sex boys education (and there is evidence boys actually do worse in a single sex environment). There are undersubscribed - dare I say it, as many undersubscribed single sex schools - as mixed schools, so I don't think the argument is won in either direction.

[tomskip]

Maths assessments at Kingsdale?

[cactus]

Once a child has been offered a place, there are some maths scholarships available.

[uncleglen]

Scholarships for a State School....that's one way of skewing the intake I suppose

[redjam]

Um, no, kids can only try for a maths scholarships AFTER they have already been offered a place.

Kingsdale do offer music and sports scholarships which increase your chances of getting in, but no academic ones.

There are some local state schools that skew their intake by being partially selective, e.g. Graveney, and you could argue that music scholarships (such as Habs, Prendergast and Kingsdale offer) favour middle-class kids who can afford music lessons, but that's a separate discussion...