nanny holidays

[emc]

Hi there

Just looking for a bit of advice - I employ my nanny two days a week, Mon and Tues and have been told that on this basis she is entitled to 11.6 days holiday per annum. I was advised that some nannies include bank holidays in this entitlement but some don't...at first I was all for giving bank hols as additional but obv this works out to around 15 days hols per year (as she works for me on a Monday) which seems an awful lot (in that if you pro-rated it it'd be more than 30 days a year) so now I just don't know what to do (as she has said she wants BH as additional)

Also, we're in a share (with two others) so how an earth do you work out your Nanny's holidays (i.e.deciding when we're on holiday so nanny not needed) so that it's fair for all - nanny and parents.

Have just sorted the nightmare of tax and NI for her but this is one thing that I just don't know how to go about

Any advice much appreciated!

[Fuschia]

In local government, you take a figure for full annual leave entitlement plus bank holidays and then prorata it.

So, for eg, if the normal entitlement is 30 days plus (say) 8 bank hols and someone works Mon/Tues the sum is 30+8 = 38 x 2/5= 15.2

[candj]

This may answer your questions regarding holidays and bank holidays. Bank holidays are included in holidays, they are not additional.

With regards to everyone's holidays, all the families just have to have very open communication with each other and your nanny about when it is taken. With our nanny/previous nanny shares half of the nanny's holidays were our holidays (we decided when she would be off) and the other half was when she wanted to take them.

Hope that helps.

[ladywotlunches]

We did the same as CandJ - half of the holidays were chosen by the nanny and half by us. With regards to the share bit - we tried to co-ordinate the 'main holiday' with the share (and with the nanny, so it all tied in), and then on the times where only one family was on holiday, they got to have a 'fee break' for those days, whilst the solo family picked up the cost of paying the nanny on a sole charge rate. Whilst there are reasons this might not be fair, (if one family has lots more hols) we found that actually, the child who was at home got to have the sole care for a few days, so it seemed reasonable to pay more.

[ang]

Hi there

If you want to do the statutory minimum the legal position is that you take the full time amount they are entitled to of 28 days (being 20 days hol plus 8 bank hols) and then multiply by 2/5. Any other employer would presumably then give her 3/5 of the 28 and therefore she gets the full entitlement over all

It's a difficult year because 7 of the bank holidays fall on a monday and tuesday

Angela

[mumum]

It is very bad luck to be in a nannyshare on a Monday, because as you point out, most bank holidays fall on a Monday, and especially if you only have two days a week. Then if bank holidays are on top of holidays, you end up with not very many days childcare and lots to pay for, compared to the other families with the Wednesdays and Thursdays! We had this problem too for one of the families we shared with. But because work for all families was slightly flexible, we worked out a way to share the bummer Mondays, in a mixture of trading a couple of days, and also dividing up the number of bank holidays between us, and all paying towards them.

[emc]

mumum, sorry am a bit rubbish about this stuff but can you explain in a bit more detail how you shared out the Mondays, trading days etc - she does work for another family Wed, thurs, Fri totally separate to me so can't see how they would be agreeable to this?

thanks

[womanofdulwich]

i always worked mondays and as i get paid i paid the nanny. if you work mondays and get paid then you are on a winner, not many employers pick this up. - unless you only work mondays.

[littleEDfamily]

What you need to do regarding the Bank Holidays mostly falling on Mondays issue it to add them (pro-rated) to the 'regular' entitlement.

So, say the nanny works for you 2 days a week and is entitled to the statutory minimum a year), that's 8 days 'regular' holiday (20/5)*2), plus 3.2 Bank Holidays (two fifths of the 8 Bank holidays she's entitled to).

So, let's round up and say it's 11.5 days holiday in total a year. But.......every time a Bank Holiday falls on a Monday (and she doesn't work), you knock a day off the overall entitlement. So in a year when 7 of the 8 fall on a Monday, that means she'll actually only have 4.5 'regular' holiday days to use for the year (11.5 minus 7). Sounds a bit mean, but if her other employer takes into account Bank Holidays in the same way, she'll get a 4.5 day Bank Holiday entitlement plus 12 days regular entitlement, and of those 16.5 days (giving her a total of 28 days across the two families), only one day will be taken on an actual bank holiday, giving her 15.5 regular days.

Essentially, the only fair way round it is to lump all the different kinds of holiday in as one. Once you know what the whole year's entitlement for your family is, you just need to make sure you deduct a days holiday every Monday or Tuesday she has off, regardless of whether it's a Bank Hol or regular holiday.

Hope that helps.

[kristymac1]

littleEDfamily Wrote:

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> What you need to do regarding the Bank Holidays

> mostly falling on Mondays issue it to add them

> (pro-rated) to the 'regular' entitlement.

>

> So, say the nanny works for you 2 days a week and

> is entitled to the statutory minimum a year),

> that's 8 days 'regular' holiday (20/5)*2), plus

> 3.2 Bank Holidays (two fifths of the 8 Bank

> holidays she's entitled to).

>

> So, let's round up and say it's 11.5 days holiday

> in total a year. But.......every time a Bank

> Holiday falls on a Monday (and she doesn't work),

> you knock a day off the overall entitlement. So in

> a year when 7 of the 8 fall on a Monday, that

> means she'll actually only have 4.5 'regular'

> holiday days to use for the year (11.5 minus 7).

> Sounds a bit mean, but if her other employer takes

> into account Bank Holidays in the same way, she'll

> get a 4.5 day Bank Holiday entitlement plus 12

> days regular entitlement, and of those 16.5 days

> (giving her a total of 28 days across the two

> families), only one day will be taken on an actual

> bank holiday, giving her 15.5 regular days.

>

> Essentially, the only fair way round it is to lump

> all the different kinds of holiday in as one. Once

> you know what the whole year's entitlement for

> your family is, you just need to make sure you

> deduct a days holiday every Monday or Tuesday she

> has off, regardless of whether it's a Bank Hol or

> regular holiday.

>

> Hope that helps.

LittleED family is entirely right - it is perfectly acceptable (and in fact the norm with most employers in all sectors) that the entitlement to bank holidays is also pro-rata. So if there are 8 bank holidays a year, your nanny is only entitled to 2/5 of that allowance - add this to her pro rata holiday allowance and if she chooses to work no bank holidays, you deduct the number that occur on a Monday from her total holiday entitlement.