bumpy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 In case anyone wanted to sign it...https://www.change.org/p/dulwich-estates-behave-reasonably-charge-reasonable-rent?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=504138&alert_id=LotTjlzGIP_b70JwH8mIvVumxdv7D1dxiVU8odLKS2DVs6IqHoAdHI%3D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadOf4 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I've just signed this.This story makes my blood boil. The Dulwich estate has two primary functions:(1) to educate "12 poor scholars? (2) to conserve and protect the heritage of this areaIf you want background on how well they?re doing on (1) read this previous threadhttp://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1396133,page=1I guess this news on rent increases confirms how much they really care about (2) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert james Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Since when has commercial shops, rents , toy shop been part of the heritage of the area.Devalues the value of a petition. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 rupert james Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Since when has commercial shops, rents , toy shop> been part of the heritage of the area.^^^ THIS!!!Not that I think DE are acting in a reasonable manneer, but a toy shop that's been there a few years is not the heritage of an area. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The area's character, maybe. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 DadOf4 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I've just signed this.> > This story makes my blood boil. The Dulwich estate> has two primary functions:> > (1) to educate "12 poor scholars? > > (2) to conserve and protect the heritage of this> areaActually, if you go to the Charities Commission and search for Dulwich Estates, you will see that DE has ONE function which it must, by law, fulfil: "To manage the endowment assets of the charity in the long term interests of all the beneficiaries of the charity. This is measured by the increase in the annual income distribution to the beneficiaries and the maintenance of the value of net assets."The beneficiaries of the charity are: The Chapel in the heart of Dulwich Village- Christ?s Chapel of God?s Gift at Dulwich CharityAlmshouses adjacent to the Chapel- The Dulwich Almshouse CharitySchools in Dulwich:- Alleyn?s School- Dulwich College- James Allen?s Girls? SchoolSchool Foundations:- Central Foundation Schools of London- St Olave?s & St Saviour?s Schools Foundation Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 "St Olave?s & St Saviour?s Schools Foundation"Didn't know that.Also I've always thought it was St Saviour's & St Olave's. Oh well. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Weirdly, the foundation is St Olave?s & St Saviour?s but the school is St Saviour?s and St Olave?s. Obviously, Olave and Saviour had a bitter feud about who got first billing and this was the solution. These saintly types let their halos slip every now and again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Yep, the Dulwich Estate's only aim is to maximise income in order to subsidise a number of elite schools. Charity eh? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider69 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 They only become elite if you cannot go there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 It's the charitable status that really sticks in the throat. Charitable status for private schools (and their associated assets/investment vehicles) is pretty scandalous. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Weirdly, the foundation is St Olave?s & St> Saviour?s but the school is St Olave?s & St> Saviour?s. > Shome mishtake here, shurely Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Sue Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Loz Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Weirdly, the foundation is St Olave?s & St> > Saviour?s but the school is St Olave?s & St> > Saviour?s. > > Shome mishtake here, shurelyOops! Yes. Now fixed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjam Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Signed. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yep, the Dulwich Estate's only aim is to maximise> income in order to subsidise a number of elite> schools. Charity eh?Christ?s Chapel and the Dulwich Almshouse Charity aren't schools. Central Foundation School and St Saviour?s & St Olave?s Schools aren't, AFAIK, elite. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Another junk thread like "Save Southwark Woods".Let's evict the old folk from the alms houses.And stop visiting the art gallery.Let's boycott everything else the Charity does - the things not mentioned by Loz.Should be in the Lounge as it has nothing to do with East Dulwich.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> rahrahrah Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Yep, the Dulwich Estate's only aim is to> maximise> > income in order to subsidise a number of elite> > schools. Charity eh?> > Christ?s Chapel and the Dulwich Almshouse Charity> aren't schools. Central Foundation School and St> Saviour?s & St Olave?s Schools aren't, AFAIK,> elite.Add in the word 'primarily' if you want. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 I didn't start the petition, just sharing it in case anyone wanted to sign it! :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Sharing it three times. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-956551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadOf4 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 edhistory Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Another junk thread like "Save Southwark Woods".> > Let's evict the old folk from the alms houses.> > And stop visiting the art gallery.> > Let's boycott everything else the Charity does -> the things not mentioned by Loz.> > Should be in the Lounge as it has nothing to do> with East Dulwich.> > John KOh- the "they do loads of good" argument of the ?9.66M that they made in revnue in 2015 (mainly from local rents) , ?8.2M (86%) of it was given to the 3 very wealthy private schools. The scraps were divvied up between the almshouses, chapel and 2 state schools (note: not the picture gallery)I agree that ED is not "in the Dulwich estate" - but if anybody here usees any sports facilities or shops on their patch - you're indirectly funding these schools.I find that hard to swallow Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 DadOf4 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I agree that ED is not "in the Dulwich estate" - but if anybody here usees any sports facilities or> shops on their patch - you're indirectly funding these schools.> > I find that hard to swallowWell, stop doing it then. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin68 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The only case that could be made about the rental increase (to the Charities Commission) is that the rents are being increased to a level where traders are being excluded (with no substitutes appearing) such that the underlying value of the estate is being jeopardised (through empty properties etc.) such that the Estate's primary focus (to raise monies for its objects) was being impeded. This is, in effect, a charge of poor management. The Estate has no general duty of care to the neighbourhood (other than standard H&S issues) save where its management is seen to be reducing its capacity to provide long terms incomes for its objectives. Clearly a blighted Dulwich and East Dulwich would do that. So if you can show that its actions are blighting the neighbourhood sufficiently to impact underlying property values - even in a time of generally rising values a slow(er) local rise could evidence that - then a case could be made to the Commission.Other than that, just because you don't approve of their 'charitable' aims (which are legal) or like what they are doing to your favoured traders, this isn't sufficient to leverage any changes to their trajectory. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 > The Estate has no general duty of care to the neighbourhoodNo, but it does have discretionary powers written into its current Charities Commission document, to maintain and improve the amenities of its lands so as to preserve and enhance its revenues.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert james Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Dulwich estates are landlords who provide the facities for business to operate from.If people are not prepared to pay for these facilities what is the problem?Move else where, seems simple enough.If properties are let for what the estate asks this only confirms the commercial value.Is people are so worried form a co-op and rent the shops for the going rate and put what ever business they want in.I doubt if their pocket will match their mouth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules-and-Boo Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Edward Alleyn origially created a charitable foundation and gave to it his property to support the education of the poor. AS the schools which are the beneficiaries of his foundation no longer support education of the poor and are only for wealthy families, I hope the man is not turning in his grave. His original intention was clear.The charity has become a business to support the wealthy. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/92554-petition-for-reasonable-rents-from-dulwich-estates/#findComment-958239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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