Noise from the Cherry Tree pub

[Squirrel74]

Dear The new Cherry Tree pub,

It seems you are turning into the old Cherry Tree pub. Keeping my family awake until 1am with terribly loud music, not asking people to leave the beer garden until 12am. Is it your plan to upset your neighbours?

[northlondoner]

Maybe call then directly?

[Alan Medic]

You registered to post this? What did you hope to achieve?

[steveo]

It's a pub

[rabbitears]

That doesn't mean they get to act like dicks

[Otta]

No it doesn't. But it also doesn't mean they should be as quiet as living next door to a family home would be.

[Squirrel74]

No one deserves to be kept awake late at night. Pubs get away with it despite having a responsibility to be considerate to those who live around them. Some people don't have a choice where they live or can't afford to move, does this mean that just have put up with having their lives disturbed by others being inconsiderate?

[Jah Lush]

You were forced to move next door to a pub?

A lot pubs close their outside space at 10pm in consideration to their neighbours. I'd suggest having a quiet word with the people who run The Cherry Tree. That is definitely your best option.

[rabbitears]

Otta Wrote:

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> No it doesn't. But it also doesn't mean they

> should be as quiet as living next door to a family

> home would be.

That's not what is being complained about

[Jules-and-Boo]

maybe there was an event/ private party? is this a regular Saturday night occurence?

usually talking to (or emailing, perhaps?) would be a good start.

[civilservant]

by all means have a word with the pub first

but also have a look at the conditions governing their licence: these stipulate their opening hours, live music, use of outside space etc

The Cherry Tree's are here: http://app.southwark.gov.uk/Licensing/LicPremisesGrantedDetails.asp?systemkey=850811

if they hear your, then fine; if not, you'll need to get in touch with the Southwark Licencing Team whose contact details are at the bottom of the licence

good luck - it's not a pleasant situation to be in

[Earl Aelfheah]

Squirrel74 Wrote:

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> Dear The new Cherry Tree pub,

> It seems you are turning into the old Cherry Tree

> pub. Keeping my family awake until 1am with

> terribly loud music, not asking people to leave

> the beer garden until 12am. Is it your plan to

> upset your neighbours?

This isn't the place to contact the Cherry Tree pub.

[ScabbyBadger]

Squirrel74 Wrote:

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> No one deserves to be kept awake late at night.

> Pubs get away with it despite having a

> responsibility to be considerate to those who live

> around them. Some people don't have a choice where

> they live or can't afford to move, does this mean

> that just have put up with having their lives

> disturbed by others being inconsiderate?

Pubs do not get away with it because people move next to pubs/live by pubs and complain about the fact they are pubs and pubs make noise and then they get shut down.

For the record a) I was in the Cherry Tree on Saturday night and the beer garden was not open until midnight and b) call them ffs.

[Jeremy]

I do sympathise with the "you moved next to a pub" argument, but at the end of the day there are quite a few homes near the pub (which have been there an awful long time) and I guess someone has to live there. So attempting to strike some kind of balance seems preferable to villainizing the neighbours.

[Otta]

Indeed, it's not fair to say "you have no right to complain, and should put up with anything because you live near a pub". Pubs have a responsibility to their neighbours without a doubt.

BUT If you live by a pub you should expect some noise that you wouldn't expect if you didn't live by a pub.

Either way, if you're bothered by noise from a pub, the first thing to do should be to have a word with the manager.

[Squirrel74]

There seem to be quite a few people who take the opinion that because I live near to a pub, I don't deserve peace and quiet like every other member of society does? I moved to East Dulwich with my daughter a year ago to look after my mother after my father died. I cannot afford to buy/rent here so have no choice but to live with my mother in her home. Does this mean that I have no rights to not be disturbed by others being inconsiderate? I understand that there will always be more noise than if I lived on a residential street, however, surely playing loud music until 2am is not a reasonable level of noise for a pub surrounded by residential homes?

[Jeremy]

I think there's probably a compromise to be struck - on one end asking the pub to turn down the volume after a certain time, making sure doors are not left open, garden not used after 10pm, etc. On your end, looking at things like moving your daughter to the quitest room, considering things like white noise generators, etc.

Squirrel, please don't be too offended at what people have posted - there is a precedent of a small number of awkward neighbours making life difficult for boozers, hence people are defensive. IMO you are not being unreasonable. But although the Cherry Tree do sometimes post on here, you really would be better off speaking with them directly.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's not that I'm unsympathetic. The point is, you should speak with the publican in the first instance.

[ScabbyBadger]

My point too. They are approachable enough

[JoeLeg]

Squirrel74 Wrote:

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> There seem to be quite a few people who take the

> opinion that because I live near to a pub, I don't

> deserve peace and quiet like every other member of

> society does? I moved to East Dulwich with my

> daughter a year ago to look after my mother after

> my father died. I cannot afford to buy/rent here

> so have no choice but to live with my mother in

> her home. Does this mean that I have no rights to

> not be disturbed by others being inconsiderate? I

> understand that there will always be more noise

> than if I lived on a residential street, however,

> surely playing loud music until 2am is not a

> reasonable level of noise for a pub surrounded by

> residential homes?

What you need to do is go and talk to the manager of the pub rather than coming on here thinking it will get results.

If you'd already spoken to them and the problem continued then yes, by all means sound off here. But at least do Cherry Tree the courtesy of talking directly to them first. Who knows, they might actually be able to sort it out? Or did you just want to complain?

[DulwichFox]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> What you need to do is go and talk to the manager

> of the pub rather than coming on here thinking it

> will get results.

>

> If you'd already spoken to them and the problem

> continued then yes, by all means sound off here.

> But at least do Cherry Tree the courtesy of

> talking directly to them first. Who knows, they

> might actually be able to sort it out? Or did you

> just want to complain?

It's no good going it alone. If you go into the pub on your own you may well be told they have had no other complaints..

Bringing it up on here and seeing if other people share your view and getting their support, then going into the pub together,

there is more chance the manager will listen to you..

DulwichFox

[JoeLeg]

Yes, maybe DF, you might be told that. Or you might be taken seriously; either way, surely the right thing to do is approach the establishment in question first? It's a better approach which allows the resident to retain the moral high ground and show they are being reasonable with their complaint. If they still ignore you then by all means use platforms like the forum to make a case and get options. But even then I'd say that isn't what the OP was doing.

[Jah Lush]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> It's no good going it alone. If you go into the

> pub on your own you may well be told they have had

> no other complaints..

>

> Bringing it up on here and seeing if other people

> share your view and getting their support, then

> going into the pub together,

> there is more chance the manager will listen to

> you..

What utter tosh.

[DulwichFox]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> > It's no good going it alone. If you go into the

> > pub on your own you may well be told they have

> had

> > no other complaints..

> >

> > Bringing it up on here and seeing if other

> people

> > share your view and getting their support, then

> > going into the pub together,

> > there is more chance the manager will listen to

> > you..

>

> What utter tosh.

Whats tosh about it Lush ..? There is nothing in my general statement that warrants being tosh.. ??

Are you just being deliberately difficult.. ?

At least if you think it's tosh, then explain yourself..

Foxy.

[Jeremy]

Fox, I think talking to them one-on-one would be a reasonable approach. Keep things friendly, amiable, cooperative. A whole band of you marching in might be seen as unnecessarily confrontational.