Neighbours that smoke

[SteveT]

Aaaaaah LadyM if only the rest of the world saw me in that light.

I can dream I suppose!

[giggirl]

Steve T - you could very well be my knight in shining armour so don't knock yourslef!

[SteveT]

Praise from two ladies in the same day..................think I might buy a lottery ticket as my luck's in!

[Ladymuck]

SteveT Wrote:

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> Praise from two ladies in the same

> day..................think I might buy a lottery

> ticket as my luck's in!

Go on...treat yourself...you've earned it xx

[Sue]

Might an ioniser work to reduce the smell? They've got them on offer in the pharmacist in North Cross Road at the moment (Lloyds?)

Also, might be worth another word with their landlord, because even if he doesn't care at the moment, if they leave, their flat will stink of cigarettes and he won't be able to let it to non-smokers, which will limit his potential tenant market.

Good luck - it's a horrible smell, I really sympathise.

[SteveT]

I presume you took this flat on the understanding it was a smoke free environment, as he is breaking this agreement perhaps you are liable to a rent refund?

[ruffers]

Not sure how far that would get, does the smell of smoke contravene it being a smoke free environment? If I've read this thread right there's no suggestion the flat is full of smoke.

Also there's a mention of the landlord not enforcing a smoke free clause, do we actually know that's there or are we assuming?

I don't smoke myself but am even starting to feel sorry for smokers. They can't smoke at the football, can't smoke at the pictures, can't smoke in lots of outside areas, and now we're after them in their homes...

[daizie]

Grow yourself some nice sinsemilla, get off your face and who cares

[TillieTrotter]

I'm a smoker and like to think I'm a considerate one, ie, I wouldn't smoke in someone elses house unless they were smokers. However, if a neighbour knocked on my door and asked me not to smoke inside my own home I wouldn't give them the time of day as I wouldn't dream of knocking on their door for say a constant smell of curry or noisy shagging or whatever. In your own home you live by your rules as long as you are fairly considerate.

[Alg]

Hi : TillieTrotter

Have you thought of the fact that others could get lung cancer and asthma from smoking. I doubt curry has the same side effects.

[TillieTrotter]

Yes of course I have and it wasn't the best comparison. I do however, still think that once we start telling people what they can do in their own homes you are opening up pandora's box. Also how realistic is it that your going to end up with a disease from smoke coming up that far. I don't know the answer to that myself just wondering.

[ruffers]

pinocchio Wrote:

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> Hi : TillieTrotter

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> Have you thought of the fact that others could get

> lung cancer and asthma from smoking. I doubt

> curry has the same side effects.

Does the smell of cigarettes cause lung cancer?

[Alg]

No, but the smoke entering the flat does.

[Keef]

You said it was the smell of smoke. Are you now saying that your flat gets filled up with smoke? If you are, then that is a completely different thing.

I still have absolutely no sympathy with anyone suggesting this person shouldn't do exactly as he wishes in his own home (so long as it's within the law). However, if your flat is actually getting filled with smoke, then the landlord should be doing something.

[Brendan]

So which takes precedence, someone?s ?right? to smoke in their own home or someone else?s right to not have their home stinking of another person?s cigarettes?

[SeanMacGabhann]

what if we weren't talking about the smell of cigarettes - what if we were talking about some cat lady with 15 cats who never cleans up? Would that remove the sometimes emotive issue of smoking rights and let us focus on the plight of someone living with a smell they didn't create?

[Keef]

Not sure that works Sean.

But for the record, what would your advise be if it was the cat lady situation? And what is your advise for the smoke situation?

[cate]

I think a 'cat lady' situation might be down to environmental health getting involved. I had heard that some (all?)councils now have rules that one can't smoke in your house/flat when a council official/employee is in it on business.

[Keef]

I think it's more that the employee has the right to ask you not to (should they wish), and leave if you refuse. I don't think they can demand you to stop.

[????]

Big Brother............

[giggirl]

I'm an ex smoker and I do uphold your neighbours' right to smoke in their home. That's why I said in a previous post to be very careful not to escalate this to a war. Smokers can get very touchy about non-smokers being touchy about smokers smoking. Don't go there. If you want to strike some sort of compromise with them then you will have to use every ounce of tact and diplomacy you can muster up.

As an ex smoker I cannot stand cigarette smoke so you have my sympathy. But you have to tread carefully here because, unless there is something in the lease prohibiting them smoking, I'm afraid they have the right to. If you want their cooperation then please accept that you are the one asking them for something so modify your tone accordingly.

[Keef]

Exactly right GG, and don't go saying one thing (it smells), but then start claiming you're going to get lung cancer, if you don't feel you're winning the argument. That will tend to lose you sympathy.

Not sure if it's been said already, but do you own or rent your flat?

If you own it, then invest in some insulation. If you rent it, ask your landlord to. If the smell can't get in, everyone's a winner! :)-D

[Jah Lush]

Jeez! How on earth you can ask someone not to smoke in their own home is beyond me. If I was your neighbour and you asked me that question I'd tell you to fcuk off.

Either get some decent insulation or move.

[giggirl]

I don't think they can ask their neighbours NOT to smoke; that would be out of order. But they can surely discuss with them where there might be specific insulation problems. For example, where I work the ladies toilet always smells of smoke because there is a ventilation shaft leading from the side street (where the smokers go) directly to the ladies. If the upstairs flat is getting filled with smoke then there is an insulation problem and it is better for everyone that it is addressed.

[Jah Lush]

Word GG.