Jump to content

Recommended Posts

I don't need them to make sense to anyone else. But it seems to be fine to criticise people for holding beliefs whereas it wouldn't be at all acceptable in this day and age to do the opposite. Have a debate all you want about whether green space is more important than burying dead people but it's the assumption that wanting to be buried isn't and can't ever be legitimate, whereas wanting green space is.

in places like Greece, Italy, Spain, where they believe strongly in the need to preserve the physical integrity of the body after death i.e. bury not cremate, it's quite customary to lease a burial plot for a fixed period of time. When this time is up, the bones are disinterred and re-buried more compactly - hence the catacombs and the ossuaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary you see in many European cemeteries - so they can manage with a limited amount of burial space.

It's only in England it seems that it's your bit of green and pleasant land for ever and ever, or at least until they build a car-park on top of you

Otta Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Totally genuine question here. Why if the body

> needs to be buried in order to keep its

> integrity, is it then okay for that to be time

> limited? Surely it either needs to be buried in

> one piece or it doesn't? I just don't understand

> it.


neither do I and I'm not even trying to understand it because I suspect there's no logic to it


if it's about taking a perfectly decent bit of wooded green space and turning it into a graveyard because the pious are worried about disturbing the long-dead in existing graveyards, then that just doesn't compute - other pious folk have no qualms about digging up their dead and repackaging them to fit the available space; it's done even in the best churches e.g. Westminster Abbey


or am I missing some element of religious orthodoxy here?

  • 2 weeks later...

mynamehere Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> John K do some research as you're interested in

> local history

>

> http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/06/recycled-graves

> -coming-soon-to-a-cemetery-near-you/

>

> History is a slippy thing

> Don't stop at the first thing you find. Cross

> check and watch your sources of course


Well, I was going to let this go, but...


Did you read the Spectator article?

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • I would like to understand this promise by the Greens in greater detail and how it applies locally? Presumably road/pavement upkeep and renewal is as important for cyclists and pedestrians as motorists? I am not aware of plans to build new roads locally but there has been plenty of money spent on converting roads into pedestrian only areas. On the face of it this feels a slightly empty statement, when applied at local level. I'd love to know the Greens stance in hiring out parks for private use (given impact on park environment), I'd also like to understand their stance on fireworks- I will look to see if I can find anything. I don't know if a manifesto exists under the documents section of Southwark Greens, but you can only access that bit by signing in- which is disappointing. If anyone has a manifesto that reflects local priorities- could they post a link?
    • You are most likely correct in thinking that  Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Starmer et all knew it.  But they obviously thought that his skills, abilities and usefulness far outweighed the negatives. Here is a summary of the positives lifted from elsewhere:-   1. Strategic Architect: He was a primary architect of "New Labour," rebranding the party and shifting its core ideology to win the 1997 general election. 2 Master of Communication: Often called the original "spin doctor," he revolutionised how political parties manage the media. He famously created the "grid" system to coordinate government messaging. 3 Networking and Charm: Known as "Silvertongue," he possesses a peerless ability to charm and network with high-level global figures, including business leaders and heads of state. 4. Governance and Trade Expertise: Beyond strategy, he was considered a highly efficient minister, serving as European Commissioner for Trade and Secretary of State across multiple departments, including Business and Northern Ireland.  5. Reinvention: His capacity to adapt to changing political climates and rebuild relationships reflects personal resilience and strategic flexibility. With his skill and abilities, he delivered results for all his bosses. In the short time in Washington, he found a way to get on the right side of Trump - despite him  being critical of Trump in previous years. That said he is complex personality.  He can be simultaneously brilliant and arrogant, thick-skinned yet sensitive, and selfless for his party while appearing narcissistic in his personal dealings.  My OP asked if he would be accepted over the pond. It turned out he was because he got on famously with trump. He worked out the correct strategy to get on the good side of Trump and secured a better trade deal than the EU and other nations.    
    • Malumbu, do you happen to know what the current figure is for "trips into town made by walking, cycling and public transport"? 
    • Before voting, do you not think it's logical to evaluate each party on its policies and make a tally of the reasons "For" and "Against" voting for each party.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...