Save the Half moon

[Otta]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Hmmm... so apart from the gig we did just how many

> times did you go there in the last five years it

> was open? And previous to that too?

Well I played there several times with different bands, and I went to see quite a few other gigs. Can't give you a number, not loads. But that's rather the point I'm making. For me, unless there was something I wanted to specifically go and see, there was no reason for me to go there because as a pub I didn't like it.

Although I hate the Bishop and wouldn't want to give the impression that's more my bag.

[Otta]

And to be very very clear, I totally support the campaign to get it open as something good. Then maybe I'll want to go more (bit not to a generic food pub).

[HonaloochieB]

Thanks for the welcome back JL, appreciate it.

I of course didn't wish to umbrage you, not of all people, but it's that combination of narrow front 'bar' and the uncomfortable one stuck on the side, never felt right to me, but a great back room.

Any Ol' How Cheers Ol' Thing

HB

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> > A great music venue (the back room) but an

> utterly

> > shite pub (the front 'thing').

> >

> > Unpleasant, uncomfortable and any old time I

> went

> > there prior to going to see a 'pop' group up

> the

> > back I never had a good time.

>

>

> Welcome back but I really have to take umbrage

> with this statement. I agree many years ago it was

> a bit of a dump but once Jill O'Neill started

> managing the pub she completely turned it around

> and her team made the Half Moon a far more

> pleasant destination. And the pizzas were better

> than The Gowlett's.

[Otta]

HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> but it's that combination of narrow front

> 'bar' and the uncomfortable one stuck on the side,

> never felt right to me, but a great back room.

>

^^^this, exactly this. More a physical thing about the pub part.

[malumbu]

Not sure if this article has been posted. Obviously not a favourable view on Dulwich Estates

http://deserter.co.uk/2014/10/pubwatch-herne-hill-dulwich/

[Sue]

I've just seen this email which arrived yesterday :(

Dulwich Estate & Fuller's Challenging our ACV Nomination

Peter Blair

London, United Kingdom

15 Feb 2016 ? LATEST NEWS: We have been informed by Southwark Council today that Dulwich Estate, in league with leaseholder Fuller's, is challenging our Asset of Community Value (ACV) status for the Half Moon Pub and its music venue.

- Please do feel free to contact Dulwich Estate about this, saying that you support ACV status for the pub and would like to question them on their motives for using charitable funds to challenge its ACV status. Here is the email address of John E Major, Chief Executive -

[email protected]

We understand that he'd particularly welcome your views on this issue- .

The Dulwich Estate.

The Old College

Gallery Road

Dulwich

London

SE21 7AE

Telephone: 020 8299 1000

You can find a full list of the Dulwich Estate trustees, who have approved this action, here:

http://www.dulwichestate.co.uk/about/the-trustees

- Please do feel free to comment on the Fuller's Facebook page here. They are a public company and we understand that they would welcome your views on this issue: https://www.facebook.com/FullersBrewery

- The Dulwich Estate Charity's registration number is: 312751 and using this number or the name, information is available on the Charity Commission for England and Wales's website: www.charity-commission.gov.uk. Do also feel free to contact the Charity Commission for its view on whether Dulwich Estate is using its charitable funds appropriately for this purpose.

Thank you. With your support we can save our live music venue. We are many, they are few. Please share this update as widely as possible.

Save The Half Moon on Twitter

NEWS: Please RT. Our ACV status for the Half Moon being challenged by #DulwichEstate in league with @FullersBrewery. pic.twitter.com/JhSPsz26Zu

http://twitter.com

[Abe_froeman]

Some of the comments on that facebook page are very funny!

[rupert james]

Sue Wrote:

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> I've just seen this email which arrived yesterday

> :(

>

> Dulwich Estate & Fuller's Challenging our ACV

> Nomination

>

> Peter Blair

> London, United Kingdom

>

> 15 Feb 2016 ? LATEST NEWS: We have been informed

> by Southwark Council today that Dulwich Estate, in

> league with leaseholder Fuller's, is challenging

> our Asset of Community Value (ACV) status for the

> Half Moon Pub and its music venue.

>

> - Please do feel free to contact Dulwich Estate

> about this, saying that you support ACV status for

> the pub and would like to question them on their

> motives for using charitable funds to challenge

> its ACV status. Here is the email address of John

> E Major, Chief Executive -

>

> [email protected]

>

> We understand that he'd particularly welcome your

> views on this issue- .

>

> The Dulwich Estate.

> The Old College

> Gallery Road

> Dulwich

> London

> SE21 7AE

> Telephone: 020 8299 1000

>

> You can find a full list of the Dulwich Estate

> trustees, who have approved this action, here:

>

> http://www.dulwichestate.co.uk/about/the-trustees

>

> - Please do feel free to comment on the Fuller's

> Facebook page here. They are a public company and

> we understand that they would welcome your views

> on this issue:

> https://www.facebook.com/FullersBrewery

>

> - The Dulwich Estate Charity's registration number

> is: 312751 and using this number or the name,

> information is available on the Charity Commission

> for England and Wales's website:

> www.charity-commission.gov.uk. Do also feel free

> to contact the Charity Commission for its view on

> whether Dulwich Estate is using its charitable

> funds appropriately for this purpose.

>

> Thank you. With your support we can save our live

> music venue. We are many, they are few. Please

> share this update as widely as possible.

>

>

> Save The Half Moon on Twitter

>

> NEWS: Please RT. Our ACV status for the Half Moon

> being challenged by #DulwichEstate in league with

> @FullersBrewery. pic.twitter.com/JhSPsz26Zu

> http://twitter.com

If this is so important why dont you make them a financial offer they cannot refuse and sign a contract for a certain number of years with an escalation rent rise clause?

You supply groups. Money where your mouth is comes to mind

[Bob Buzzard]

hernehiller Wrote:

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> Dear all

>

> I know this is an East dulwich Forum, but us Herne

> Hillers go out in Herne Hill a lot and I'm sure

> people in East Dulwich go out in Herne Hill too.

> I'm hoping that some of you will sign the petition

> to save the Half Moon pub.

>

> The Half Moon has hosted live music since the

> 1950's, when Frank Sinatra dropped by after a

> London show to visit his old chauffeur and sing a

> number. Musicians who played here and went on to

> become famous include Eric Clapton, U2, Billy

> Bragg, The Police, and Paloma Faith. Celebrated

> comedians, including Mark Lamarr, Eddie Izzard and

> Jo Brand have also performed stand-up comedy

> here.

>

> Just today we received word that we have got ACV

> (Access of community value) from the council

> meaning Dulwich estates have to consult about any

> proposed plans. To date they have wanted to get

> rid of the music venue at the back and do another

> pub/restaurant. Many of us in Herne Hill think

> this is a bad idea for such an iconic music/comedy

> venue.

>

> Read all about it here. Apologies if this is

> already somewhere on the forum, but could not find

> it easily.

>

> http://www.hernehill.org.uk/news/boris-johnson-sav

> e-half-moon-pub-herne-hill-se24-live-music-venue

"I'm sure people in East Dulwich go out in Herne Hill" - no they don't (well at least they shouldn't)! People from ED should go out there and people from HH should go out there, unless you are invited by someone from one of the areas to go out there and vice versa.

[Mick Mac]

I think people in ED are more likely to go out in Peckham than Herne Hill. It's got something different from ED but HH doesn't. Cant see much attraction with HH.

[Jah Lush]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> I think people in ED are more likely to go out in

> Peckham than Herne Hill. It's got something

> different from ED but HH doesn't. Cant see much

> attraction with HH.

I don't agree with that at all. I've lived in Dulwich and some surrounding areas all my life and I've always frequented the Half Moon and other places in Herne Hill too. Probably much more so than Peckham. Anyway, it's good to have the choice and The Half Moon with it's entertainment policy of music, comedy and drama has always been the main pull for me and hopefully it will stay that way.

[Otta]

I've always thought HH was crap, and have only ever gone there if there was a specific gig on. Never just because it's a nice place to go.

Different folks and all that.

[Jeremy]

Huh. I actually always thought HH was quite nice. When I was buying my first flat I wanted a place in Herne Hill, but couldn't afford it, so ended up in ED. Both areas have changed since, of course... but like JL says, nice to have the choice.

So if it gets listed as an asset of community value... what next? Community buyout? Who's going to run the place? Who's going to be responsible for booking bands/comedy/etc?

[Otta]

It has roads with nice houses, but when I think of HH I just think of a busy traffic junction.

[BrandNewGuy]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> So if it gets listed as an asset of community

> value... what next? Community buyout? Who's going

> to run the place? Who's going to be responsible

> for booking bands/comedy/etc?

It already is listed as an Asset of Community Value, but Fuller's have taken the lease anyway. However, live music is integral to the ACV, so they now want to move the goaplosts.

I quite like Herne Hill and spent a very nice afternoon/evening in the Off The Cuff Bar by the station a couple of months ago.

[Jeremy]

Sorry... yes I meant if the challenge fails.. what's the next step?

Making a music venue work isn't easy, and it's a pretty big space... just wondering if there are any specific ideas/proposals for it.

[Sue]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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>

> I don't agree with that at all. I've lived in

> Dulwich and some surrounding areas all my life and

> I've always frequented the Half Moon and other

> places in Herne Hill too.

I used to go to gigs at The Half Moon when I lived in South Norwood in the late seventies/early eighties (and to the other Half Moon in Putney, which was even further).

If it became a decent music venue again, I'm sure people would travel to go to it, depending on who was headlining. I would - it's only a short bus ride away, or a not too long walk.

ETA: The Ivy House (now community-owned) has an events manager who co-ordinates bookings for music and other gigs. I presume The Half Moon would have to have the same.

[Jah Lush]

Sue Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> >

> > I don't agree with that at all. I've lived in

> > Dulwich and some surrounding areas all my life

> and

> > I've always frequented the Half Moon and other

> > places in Herne Hill too.

>

>

> ETA: The Ivy House (now community-owned) has an

> events manager who co-ordinates bookings for music

> and other gigs. I presume The Half Moon would have

> to have the same.

Exactly! Most pubs that have a music licence have a booker/events manager. I've been going to the Half Moon for over 40 years and seen some great bands there. Hopefully, that will continue rather than it being another bland corporate restaurant/hotel with bar attached which is how the Crown & Greyhound (The Dog) will be once it finally re-opens.

[Jeremy]

The Ivy House is a slightly different setup, because the room can be used as regular pub space when there's no event on (which presumably could be an option for the Half Moon too?)

[Jah Lush]

Indeed. They could utilise the space in just the same way that the Ivy House does.

[Otta]

Indeed, and I don't see why they wouldn't.

My memory could be playing tricks on me, because I was probabl;y about 12 at the time, but I'm sure once upon a time the "stage room" was more in keeping with the rest of the pub decor.

[Jah Lush]

It was Otta but even before then there were two rooms out back, the stage was directly opposite as you walked through and there was a pool room where the stage is now.

[Otta]

Yes that sounds right, and there was your classic pub carpet and wooden rails.

[Jah Lush]

Ha ha! Yeah, that carpet was particularly shite.

[Mick Mac]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

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> > I think people in ED are more likely to go out

> in

> > Peckham than Herne Hill. It's got something

> > different from ED but HH doesn't. Cant see much

> > attraction with HH.

>

>

> I don't agree with that at all. I've lived in

> Dulwich and some surrounding areas all my life and

> I've always frequented the Half Moon and other

> places in Herne Hill too. Probably much more so

> than Peckham.

I mean now rather than before. I see HH as offering something similar to ED, but I now know more people in ED who would see Peckham as the obvious alternative to a night out in ED.

I'd love to see the Half Moon reopen. I'd travel to that. I was there a couple of times to see music but it seemed to be dying even then. I think it maybe stopped offering music well before the flood?