Thats the spirit!!

[mockney piers]

Santerme, Paying it Forward was a pretty dreadful film, but not sure if there's anything underlying the concept that's so very wrong.

My moral compass was formed watching the adventure game, and consequently involves my reacting to good fortune by the need to sacrifice shiny coloured plastic to the nearest aspadistra.

However I understand there's a Cantian reformation that believes the aspadistra a false idol and the true revelation from moira Stuart was revealed only to Brian Cant.

I'm now leaning toward the latter and will look through the round window for guidance.

[PeckhamRose]

I think more people should have pets.

Everyone in the vets was so nice and talking with one another and sharing stories and - it was lovely.

Just finished hoovering my motorcycle jacket and trousers from where she just jumped out the box on the back of the bike when we got to the vets, and she clung to me for the entire time. It was a 'look, no hands' moment as she just clung!

People were being so friendly in the vets! One of them even took a photo of Spacey half in my jacket and up my sleeve, which I may post on here later.

You never get that friendliness and chat in Tescos, I tell ya!

[Atila Reincarnate]

Ted Max Wrote:

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> annaj, I doff my cap to your greater knowledge of

> Joey's utilitarian ethics. I shall add Friends to

> the reading list.

>

>

> Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who likes

> getting nothing better than a good punch up? Does

> that mean you can treat others in the same way?

Behave, you know exactly what I mean.

[iaineasy]

haha just got back from work and had to laugh at this thread.

F*&^king hippies give them an inch and they'll sell you a falafel, or a cup of lesbian tea. (camomile and ginger etc)

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HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> That's all very well and glad you got some payback

> and all, but back up there a little.

> Just what the dickens happened that necessitated

> removing a claw from its eye?

xxxxxx

I want to know this too, and still no answer big grin

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Muesli is fighting for new turf as we have not long moved in there has been a few scraps the las one resulting in the loss of her collar and some pretty bad bites and it seems a claw in the eye!! she seems much happier today though!! phew ?90 well spent.

And now for the karma update I found a fiver whilst walking along carryingmy ladder to work this morning!! BONUS!

[candj]

iaineasy Wrote:

> And now for the karma update I found a fiver

> whilst walking along carryingmy ladder to work

> this morning!! BONUS!

What? And you did post signs up around the road asking if anyone lost a fiver? Karma.

[iaineasy]

No I brought some sausages from william rose!! Damn they are fine and she gave me 2 for free!! Double bonus

[Ted Max]

Atila Reincarnate Wrote:

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> Ted Max Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> >

> > Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who

> likes getting nothing better than a good punch up?

> Does that mean you can treat others in the same way?

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> Behave, you know exactly what I mean.

Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila. Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.

Let me put it another way: what if "how you would be done by" doesn't accord with how the other person would wish to be "done to"?

Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead to the greater common good (to stick with the utilitarian approach)?

[iaineasy]

Let me put it another way: what if "how you would be done by" doesn't accord with how the other person would wish to be "done to"?

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Fuckem if they can't take a joke?? :))

[Ted Max]

Fuckem if they can't take a joke??

Or an offer of a hug?

[iaineasy]

haha fair enough Ted!!:)-D

[SeanMacGabhann]

Oi - Max - you leave my Kant out of it

[????]

Given the original title of this thread and the philisophical bent it has taken, I give you.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1MgCV6uGuc

[daizie]

PeckhamRose Wrote:

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> I think more people should have pets.

> Everyone in the vets was so nice and talking with

> one another and sharing stories and - it was

> lovely.

> Just finished hoovering my motorcycle jacket and

> trousers from where she just jumped out the box on

> the back of the bike when we got to the vets, and

> she clung to me for the entire time. It was a

> 'look, no hands' moment as she just clung!

> People were being so friendly in the vets! One of

> them even took a photo of Spacey half in my jacket

> and up my sleeve, which I may post on here later.

> You never get that friendliness and chat in

> Tescos, I tell ya!

In more unfortunate times, I had the indignity of having to take a pet to the PDSA in New Cross....

A little different to a Vets .. Pet owners out in their slippers, lots of track-suits, jewelery, colourful language, and I watched a huge dog do a poo right in the middle of the waiting area. I could see the receptionists looking down their noses at everyone . Iv'e never felt so poor . Very very funny though .

[woofmarkthedog]

iaineasy Wrote:

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> self interested altruism?? haha no I'm just

> stating that if you are altruistic it comes back I

> wasn't asking for expecting it! If your cynical

> that comes back too. The cat shat on the bench no

> doubt, but I'm not sure cats have karma ar dogs

> have dogma either come to think of it......

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Chameleons do, ask Boy George !

[woofmarkthedog]

My Karma rides over my Dogma

Yes indeede

W**F

It can work this one good deed begets another thing

Example

My neighbor hates heights but asked to borrow my extending ladder. I was clearing my gutters. So I went and cleared his, I just did it with out making a fuss 10 minutes & all done. He went to his allotment & came back with much red chard & Dumpling pumpkins/squash which he gave to me. I cooked them that day for us & a visiting friend, Oh joy.

Good feelings all round & a community spirit. We like this cosmic ordering service very much.

[legalbeagle]

Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila.

> Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.

>

> Let me put it another way: what if "how you would

> be done by" doesn't accord with how the other

> person would wish to be "done to"?

>

> Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a

> philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead

> to the greater common good (to stick with the

> utilitarian approach)?

And it's a perfectly valid question Ted Max. What does one do about the tyranny of the majority? We may think this is a theorectical issue, but see Daizie's post above. Clearly the majority considered the poo acceptable, nay inevitable, but should it have been allowed to exist nonetheless? Surely there are moral absolutes, requiring us to conclude that poo, in any public form, is unacceptable? Or would "do as you would be done by" have won the day and opened the floodgates to unlimited turds in that particular waiting room?

[Brendan]

So not only did you have to clean his gutters but he made you eat vegetables too.

[mockney piers]

Wow Ive never seen moral and absolutes and poo in the same sentence before!!!

Aaaagh, it's happened again!

[Atila Reincarnate]

Ted Max Wrote:

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> Atila Reincarnate Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Ted Max Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > >

> > > Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who

> > likes getting nothing better than a good punch

> up?

> > Does that mean you can treat others in the same

> way?

>

> -------

> > Behave, you know exactly what I mean.

>

>

> Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila.

> Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.

>

> Let me put it another way: what if "how you would

> be done by" doesn't accord with how the other

> person would wish to be "done to"?

>

> Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a

> philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead

> to the greater common good (to stick with the

> utilitarian approach)?

Like I said before, I didn't take it as a personal challenge, you know exactly what I mean.

[Ted Max]

Yes, I know what you mean. I'm asking, "Is it enough, is it sufficient, do we need more than this as a personal ethic?"

[Atila Reincarnate]

Personally I don't think so, but that is my view. Sometimes the fact that we over analyse issues makes thinks more complicated than they need be. For me life is simple and the less we complicate it the better.

[legalbeagle]

Ted Max Wrote:

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> Yes, I know what you mean. I'm asking, "Is it

> enough, is it sufficient, do we need more than

> this as a personal ethic?"

But as piglet said, "What will you answer yourself?" After all how we wish to be treated is surely only a product of our nature and nurture combined. An accident of genetics and geography, if you will. In which case, you may consider it the height of good fortune to be beaten on the bottom with a woman's weekly (a supposition for the sake of argument, you understand), but would I? I fear that "do as you would be done by" is an inadequate guide, lead by personal preference, and fraught with danger as a result.

[Brendan]

Oh bloody hell Thelma, just do what thou wilt.

[iaineasy]

you may consider it the height of good fortune to be beaten on the bottom with a woman's weekly (a supposition for the sake of argument, you understand), but would I? I fear that "do as you would be done by" is an inadequate guide, lead by personal preference, and fraught with danger as a result.

I fear that being beaten on the bottom with the womans weekly is fraught with victoria wood and wont get your grouting done

 

[annaj]

Because I've loved Leaglebeagle's posts on this thread and she referenced it.

And because it still makes me laugh out loud.

And because TedMax shared his earworm this morning.....