Dogs in Peckham Rye

[Huggers]

Steve Ive no idea what I would do. Did this happen to you in Peckham Rye? That is terrifying.

Are there attacks like this going on in Peckham Rye that would warrant these muzzles and enclosures on normal dog walking people?

are dogs attacking human beings on a regular basis?

Its a pretty regular dog walking crowd in PRP and we tend to keep an eye out for eachother and keep an ear to the grapevine.

I thought original posters were complaining about being rushed by disobedient dogs rather than attacked by vicious ones .Hence my advice to ignore if you are phobic, so as not to increase interest and interaction .

No collar no owner? that is illegal straight away, so would such a dog ever be muzzled or 'walked in an enclosure'?

Dogs this dangerous have no business being in a park at all, and no muzzle or enclosure is going to make them safe.

Dogs scare me when they are off the lead in the residential streets- off lead dogs in the streets are illegal and yet I see guys cycling along with dogs running on the pavement. Not only intimidating and illegal, but dangerous re possible RTA. I expect to be able to walk my dog on a lead down the street without being harrassed by an off lead dog- the most likely scenario for a fight or for me to get bitten

edited to add:

the law already requires the muzzling and neutering of all pit bull type or dangerous breed dogs-and of course for all dogs to wear a collar.

[cloudnine]

This thread is becoming increasingly hysterical (on more than one level).

The VAST MAJORITY of dogs we see in our parks are well looked after, have sensible owners, are not 'trophy' dogs, and are completely harmless. The chance of being attacked - even by the remaining minority - is pretty minimal. To be scared of every dog that we come across in the park is irrational. To then pass on this irrationality to children is quite sad; personally I find it a shame for children not be encouraged to like and understand animals. To be scared of animals is to miss out on so much.

I walk in Peckham Rye, Dulwich and other parks most days with my small children - and feel completely safe. If anything I feel more wary about the cyclists zipping around the park - but I certainly wouldn't go around thumping a drum that we should have separate areas for those on two wheels to protect me and my kids.

The park is for everyone - dog or non-owners. Yes - there are irresponsible dog owners - but be reassured that they are a tiny minority. Live and let live for goodness sake - and perhaps we can all enjoy a walk in the park.

[jumpinjackflash]

well said Cloudnine

[Huggers]

ditto

[bonniebird]

Huggers Wrote:

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> ditto

me too, well said:) There are already enough areas in Peckham Rye park where dogs either aren't aloud or are to be kept on a lead. My dogs are no threat to anybody and I would not want to be stuck in one area of a park where dogs are allowed off lead, and muzzle them when they come out of that area!! Why should I? They are teensy and have NEVER shown any aggresion to anyone, don't tar responsible dog owners with the same brush as the irresponsilbe ones:X

I pay my taxes and my dogs are very well behaved, I want to walk around the park, where I want to go, not be told where I can let them off, in a "DOG AREA" Forget it!

[milliemum]

cloudnine Wrote:

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> > I walk in Peckham Rye, Dulwich and other parks

> most days with my small children - and feel

> completely safe. If anything I feel more wary

> about the cyclists zipping around the park - but

> I certainly wouldn't go around thumping a drum

> that we should have separate areas for those on

> two wheels to protect me and my kids.

>

> The park is for everyone - dog or non-owners. Yes

> - there are irresponsible dog owners - but be

> reassured that they are a tiny minority. Live and

> let live for goodness sake - and perhaps we can

> all enjoy a walk in the park.

Very well said. I have dogs myself which would be more likely to lick you to death than attack you, but I wholely recognise that my love of animals isn't shared by all and do my very best to train them and keep them on the lead when they may be a nuisance to others....and walk elsewhere like the woods when it's busy. People do have the right to run round the park without dogs tearing after them which as someone said is usually the excitement of a young dog rather than aggression....but it doesn't matter....it shouldn't happen. But I do agree that this care of each other has to be reciprocated by all groups....on many occasions either I or my dogs have narrowly missed injury from cyclists who speed round the park without any due care for pedestrians. Or the summer inevitable spate of mopeds no doubt stolen being driven round by kids with no helmets. Oh dear, maybe I should start a rant thread!

[Huggers]

..or the tractor that is definitely over park speed limit and zooms about practically doing handbrake turns.

[McNoonoo]

I have 2 dogs that I walk regularly on both the Rye and in Dulwich Park. I have to admit that the Harris girls who have kicked both me and my dogs (who are always under control at all times) as we have walked home, are more scary to me than any dog off a lead. I have also had mad cyclists in Dulwich Park crash into my dog and hurl abuse at me as we have walked around the park.

[first mate]

I was ordered by some Harris girls to leave the park once, on the basis that they did not like any dogs. If my dog had been kicked by one of these youngsters I would have taken the matter to the school and the parks authorities pronto.

[hislordship]

I'm glad we are calling them what they really are now - I've always felt the word 'scrummy mom' or whatever the word is to be an oxymoron. >:D

[curlykaren]

yes, the harris girls do seem particularly hysterical when it comes to dogs, my little mutt has been terrified by them screaming at/because of him, on more than one occassion...always on the lead I might add. first mate, I hope you ordered them out of the park on the grounds that screaming teenage girls are the very worst of the species...

[first mate]

curlykaren,

I was sufficiently startled by the vitriol that came my way, for no good reason I may add, that I spoke to the relevant authorities about it. I was taken aback that a group of girls should be so rude and overbearing and saddened that en masse they seemed to have a real hatred of dogs. I think it is doubtful that the whole lot of them have been attacked by dogs so can only conclude that they have learned the dislike. I too see more and more children who run and scream at the mere sight of a dog, not only in the park but in the street, where the dog is clearly on a lead- I note that the accompanying adult often seems to share the child's dislike.

[curlykaren]

perhaps there could be an area of the park sectioned off for exercising harris girls, anywhere else and the school is fined:)):))

[thomas thomas]

Thank goodness I have cats!!!!

[LegalEagle-ish]

There have been a few cat haters on hete too.

I think you may only be safe if you keep goldfish!

[Cassius]

I prefer snakes.

[davidC]

I saw something strangley annoying this morning. Some great oaf, and his nasty terrior chasing Squirels in the park. Now, i know there are two many grey squirels in this world, but..... this idiot of a man was actually holding back his dog, antaganizing it, then releasing so he could chase and almost slaughter the squirel.

What the hell is going on? CHILDREN play in the park, you start teaching your dog to kill... surely something bad could happen!

Prick

[boosboss]

hislordship Wrote:

I'm glad we are calling them what they really are

now - I've always felt the word 'scrummy mom' or

whatever the word is to be an oxymoron. >:D<

*snort* Tickled me anyway ;-)

[SteveT]

davidC Wrote:- this idiot of a man was actually holding back his dog, antaganizing it, then releasing so he could chase and almost slaughter the squirel.

It's part of the dog fighting training course for a gold digging pit-bull owner, gives the dog a taste for killing

and blood.

[SteveT]

LegalE-ish wrote:-So restrict all dogs cos you got attacked once?

I do believe that if you read the press there have been many other attacks apart from the animal that attacked me. There was a case a few days ago where two Alsatians were fighting and when the owner tried to intervene, they turned on him and killed him.

In some countries dogs are not allowed on the streets without a muzzle. So why not here?

It certainly does the dog no harm and may save them from being harmed.

[LegalEagle-ish]

What country are un muzzled dogs not allowed on the street?

[Don Quixote]

As I said in my original response, I was looking for food for thought about what I thought about dogs off leads in Peckham Rye.

So, here is where I am after all the great posts:

1) Peckham Rye is a shared resource - which we are all entitled to enjoy

2) To enjoy it we all need to understand where our rights begin and end

3) Dog owners totally have the right to walk their dogs on the Rye

4) If someone has a problem with dogs it is not up to dog owners to judge that person - it is totally within the rights of someone to expect to be able to walk around Peckham Rye without being approached by an unknown dog

5) If someone has a a dog under control it is totally their right to exercise their dog without being abused by people who may not like dogs

[LegalEagle-ish]

Well done - I like to see well thought out, considered posts, especially as I love dogs, but am not keen on dangerous ones myself.

[Huggers]

well done Don Quixote. Now will you sort out the middle east.

[Don Quixote]

Huggers Wrote:

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> well done Don Quixote. Now will you sort out the

> middle east.

Middle East Dulwich maybe!