El Presidente Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 According to FOI investigation in Mail today this is the pay of our top council employees ?198,295 E Kelly Chief Executive?169,906 Dr R Wallis Director of Public Health?162,489 D Whitfield Strategic Director of Finance and Corporate Services?155,945 G Scott Strategic Director of Housing and Community Services?154,171 D Collins Strategic Director of Environment and LeisureSo the person in charge of Environment and Leisure at Southwark Council is paid more than the PM. Hmmm.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 > ?154,171 D Collins Strategic Director of Environment and LeisureIs this the person responsible for the F.M.Conway contract? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-923949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Deborah Collins - the invisible woman. She has never responded to any emails sent to her and gives the impression she is detached from her area of responsibility. Worrying, as at this level, she is advising the politicians and presumably cannot have a close grasp of the very real level of complaints coming through to, in my experience, poorly managed call centre staff. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-923952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 "According to FOI investigation in Mail today this is the pay of our top councillors"Think this should read top council officers, councillors only receive expenses. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I can't find the article I was reading the other day, but if I remember correctly it stated that on average, across the country, roughly 20% of council tax goes towards funding local council pensions. It's not just the headline salaries that are large, its also the defined benefit schemes in the background. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Southwark council is a relatively large organisation, with thousands of employees. 200K is a lot of money, but what do people think an appropriate salary is for chief executive of an organisation of this size? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think ?120k for the CEO is reasonable. ?100k for a director. These salaries are way out of step. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryb Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Southwark has a annual turnover of 300m which would put it in the medium-sized business category if you were looking for a private sector comparison. So yes 200k for CEO is a bit toppy looking at industry averages. Plus private sector execs have far more scrutiny on performance which is the bigger problem in my view. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Agree Henry. Plus this is public service. Salaries should be lower than the private sector. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 ?120K? A good salary of course, but a decent accountant or programmer (with no mgmt responsibility) can earn that. Not convinced it's CEO money. Especially in London where the lure of the private sector is strong. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Why should private sector salaries be higher? I would prefer it if my public services were run by the best minds and leaders, not the rejects. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ratty, the point you make is valid, but do you see many public services run by the best minds? I don't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 ratty Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Why should private sector salaries be higher? I> would prefer it if my public services were run by> the best minds and leaders, not the rejects.Because public service is an end in itself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Also, the rational in the past, was lower than private sector salary, with very good work/life balance and retirement benefits. But this has morphed into very good salary, very good work/life balance, and extremely good retirement benefits that now generally far exceed those of the private sector. With an estimated 20% of council tax going towards finding final salary pensions (and that's expected to increase dramatically as the pension funding liabilities become larger and larger), I'm not happy to be funding this level of remuneration. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 This article from a couple of years ago has a list of all the London boroughs and what the Chief Execs were on.http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/the-council-chiefs-on-more-than-200000-in-salary-and-perks-8547953.htmlAnd Southwark was far from the worst.Barking, Stella Manzie - ?179,250Barnet, Nick Walkley - ?250,818Bexley, Will Tuckley - ?244,897Brent, Gareth Daniel - ?231,853Bromley, Doug Patterson - ?202,295Camden, Mike Cooke - ?172,463*Croydon, Jon Rouse - ?221,180Ealing, Martin Smith - ?176,908Enfield, Rob Leak - ?226,761Greenwich, Mary Ney - ?225,510Hackney, Tim Shields - ?207,083H&F/K&C, Derek Myers - ?266,991 (but then I guess they can afford it)Haringey, Kevin Crompton - ?249,452Harrow, Michael Lockwood - ?227,274Havering, Cheryl Coppell - ?195,912Hillingdon, Hugh Dunnachie - ?187,069Hounslow, Mary Harpley - ?203,026Islington, Lesley Seary - ?160,000Kingston, Bruce Mcdonald - ?224,000Lambeth, Derrick Anderson - ?229,290Lewisham, Barry Quick - ?144,531*Merton, Ged Curran - ?211,785Newham, Kim Bromley-Derry - ?237,315Redbridge, Roger Hampson - ?231,099Richmond, Gillian Norton - ?219,444Southwark, Annie Shepperd - ?170,310Sutton, Niall Bolger - ?189,777Tower Hamlets ,Aman Dalvi - ?104,015 **Waltham, Forest Martin Esom - ?223,473Wandsworth, Paul Martin - ?254,880Westminster, Mike More - ?234,407 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/82340-southwark-council-pay/#findComment-924575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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