Otta Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Blah Blah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't see anything wrong with moralising about 5k blown on a wedding dress.Except that1. ?5k wasn't blown on a dress, it was just "worth" that.2. The dress was then donated to charity so that some money could be raised for a good cause (as well as someone else getting to have the dress for their wedding, although by your logic you'd question their values too for wearing a ?5k dress, even if they'd got it for a couple of hundred in a charity shop).3. This thread was never meant to be about wedding dresses.4. NewWave posted to highlight the breast cancer aspect, and you totally eclipsed that, so bravo.But no, I don't think you'll ever see anything wrong with anything you ever say, however many other people suggest that you're wrong. And for that reason I won't comment further because it's the online equivalent of repeatedly headbutting a brick wall. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcam Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Blah Blah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------It's a forum.> People have different views.So stop moaning when others disagree with you. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Sad to see people generally didn't like this shop. Every time I went in there I found nice things, not too expensive, and with really lovely helpful staff (lots of whom were volunteers). Always a shame when someone tries to do something well meaning and different and it doesn't work out. Hope they have luck with whatever their next venture is. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 NewWave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Give and take were more than just a 'posh' charity> shop-a portion of the money went to breast cancer charitiesDoes anyone know what a 'portion' means? Those people that stick plastic bags for clothes through your letterbox donate a 'portion' of the proceeds to charity, but it's pretty tiny portion, more to make you forget it's a private profit making company rather than actually doing the charity much good. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec John Moore Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 You'd have to look at their audited accounts I suppose to get a specific answer to how much here's the link to the explanation of their business model.http://giveandtakeshop.co.uk/#how-does-it-work Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05651354/filing-history Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzle30 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 It would be interesting to know what the percentage they gave to charity - was anyone told when they donated/part exchanged an item how much went to the charity. I'm assuming they weren't registered with the charities commission as they weren't a charity themselves but a ltd company. You'd think they would have made the information easy to find on their website - maybe that would have brought in more customers/donations and kept it going.Edited - I've had a look at their website properly, my understanding is this : They sold 3 types of things:1. New items (candles/frames) items had ?1 added to the retail price which went to charity2. Donated items 100% of retail went to charity (good news)3. Part ex items - individual comes in sell their items - if sold the individual receives 50% credit voucher to spend in store - this is net after tax and they quote this equates to 33% off the gross retail value. No mention of any donation to charity.This is a great business model.. Push the charity side which i feel is very limited to get people in who feel like they are doing their bit.The majority of your stock is brought to you - you have no outlay from sourcing or purchasing stock (bar the limited new stock. If anyone has asked you to sell on their behalf - you still don't have an outlay as you never give the cash just give them 'credit' which = a discount on the stock you've got for free.At no point do need to state how much is being donated to charity as a result of the donated items and new item levy. Unless there is a clear donation to charity listed in the report & accounts on the Companies House website. It doesn't appear to be as clear cut as popping into your usual charity shop. I wonder if like 'regular'charity shops they received a reduced business rates/rentThe only failing of this model I ca see and was probably their downfall Is that you have to rely on is customers buying up your stock on a regular basis and many people won't buy second hand clothing ( or the new phrase Pre-loved ) as there is a perceived stigma attached. Which is a shame as you ca get some amazing things second hand ( as my waldrobe, flat and garden can attest too). * excuse my spelling Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Obviously not a great business model if they went bust Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 http://www.2010.voa.gov.uk/rli/en/basic/find/valuation/2010/9633919000/7898453000 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldilocks Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The thing with this shop is that it isn't 100% of the sale price donations, it was 100% of the profit. There was never any transparency as far as I could see around how this was calculated and the accounts don't disclose their level of charitable giving vs turnover or profit. A more transparent business model may have made people less suspicious. It always felt as though giving stock directly to charities is likely to yield a larger donation per item, and potentially even selling stuff on ebay and then making a donation to the charity. On the other hand, Give and Take probably made it easy for some to give to breast cancer charities and that ease shouldn't be underestimated. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Sazzle30 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------many people won't buy second hand> clothing ( or the new phrase Pre-loved ) as there> is a perceived stigma attached. Which is a shame> as you ca get some amazing things second hand Indeed. I got a fantastic handmade Zandra Rhodes jacket for ?25 from a charity shop.But I feel whoever priced it should maybe have done a bit of research ...... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Sue, if they researched it, I'm assuming you thinkIt was worth more, you may not have been ableTo afford it. ?25 for a secondhand jumper is notcheap. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 She said it was a jacket not a jumper. 25 quid for a jacket is very reasonable. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 My mistake although ?25 for a jacket, secondhandis expensive, i suppose it depends on what you spend on clothes. I'm assuming Sue thinksshe got a bargain. Someone who may spend that amount on a new jacket, would not see the bargain. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 affordability is subjective - as are the values of donations. It certainly doesn't warrant making a judgement on whether it crosses a perceived personal boundary. It's actually quite offensive. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjs1 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Very offensive and incredible snobbery. I wonder how well Blah Blah would take someone suggesting (s)he was a vacuous/pretensious/morally bankrupt person because (s)he lives in the designer area of ED? I see (s)he has already defended this stance on the basis of buying affordably - which is exactly what the lady she criticised did with her designer dress! Hypocrite much? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 TE44 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Sue, if they researched it, I'm assuming you> think> It was worth more, you may not have been able> To afford it. ?25 for a secondhand jumper is not> cheap.No of course I would not have been able to afford it, that's why it was a bargain :)It's a really beautiful handmade Zandra Rhodes jacket - a work of art. I've only ever worn it once (for my sister's sixtieth do) because I'm afraid of spilling something on it.It wasn't from Give and Take, though. I assume they'd have had a bit more nous and priced it a lot higher, though I have no idea what it's worth - I've never seen anything like it before.I bought it because it was beautiful, not because I needed a jacket. Please don't start on me as well (I don't mean you, TE44) - the only other designer item I have is a very beautiful Ossie Clark dress from a sale in the early seventies. I still wear it.But if I had more money I would so buy designer clothes. Not because they're expensive or to show off. But because in my opinion (depending on the designer) they are art. Or perhaps people shouldn't spend their own hard-earned money on art either?ETA: I agree it's offensive in the extreme to tell people what they should and should not be spending their money on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 kjs1 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I wonder how well Blah Blah would take someone suggesting (s)he was a vacuous/pretensious/morally> bankrupt person because (s)he lives in the designer area of ED? There's a 'designer area' of ED? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 According to The Apprentice it's propa posh innit. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monica Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Iv heard its going to be questionnaire. Forgive me if somebody has said this already, thread is too long to go back on :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> According to The Apprentice it's propa posh innit.I think that was Dulwich Village :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjs1 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > There's a 'designer area' of ED?Have you seen the house prices? Effectively the whole of ED is designer, by Blah Blah's standards. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-925634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedges Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 For interest their accounts can be downloaded for free herehttps://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05651354/filing-history They're abbreviated as its a small company and don't really give away much. My only query would be what their circa ?10k of debtors at each year end related to. For a consumer retail business, debtors should be relatively low or non existent unless they are counting funds held by a credit card transaction provider. The alarm bell it sets off is if they were in fact bulk selling items to a 3rd party. Nothing wrong with that per se unless they were selling the donated items and not passing the proceeds to the charity. Without the fuller accounts you'd never be able to tell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-927621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 > My only query would be what their circa ?10k of debtors How about the tangible assets? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-927704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Debtors are money / funds people owe you--- you typically have them (or accounts receivable as they are more broadly known) when you supply a good or service that isn't immediately settled but rather invoiced. Invoices can normally be settled some defined period after the service has been performed. For a small retail business, its odd. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/81856-give-take/page/5/#findComment-927743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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