Changing Names

[woofmarkthedog]

RosieH Wrote:

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> Are you having an aneurysm?

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Oh If only !

( sounds like he's been reading the Daily "you know what" )

[Tony.London Suburbs]

The Chair Wrote:

Time to move this to the Lounge - which means I may ask, what became of Constantinople, butt of schoolboy jokes?

Sadly it is no longer a Turkish Delight, Chair.

The city of Constantinople "Fell" in 1453...:-$

Which beggars two seperate questions.

Firstly: When DID you go to School Chair?

Obviously it was sometime before 1453, that I do know.:-$

Secondly: What became of Turkish Del...no, don't worry about the second part...;-)

At least now we know that you are nearly as old as Methalusah, then that would explain your infinite sage advice and wisdom...

[Santerme]

"Why did Constantinople get the works....that's nobodies business but the Turks"

I have no idea about Basle, but it has a great Zoo!

[Keef]

Therefore, people from Pakistan or Bangladesh might not like being called "Indian" either.

Quite. However, I met with a guy the other day, who was born in what is now Pakistan, but what was then India (I think he was born in 1946, a year before Pakistan existed, if I remember correctly), but he still wanted to be called Indian.

Just one persona obviously, but I found it interesting.

[Brendan]

Ermmmm?. Are none of you aware of one of the most significant post colonial events to have happened last century, the formation of the state of Pakistan?

Areas which became Pakistan in 1957 (?) used to be part of British India. The people from these areas were therefore all colloquially known as Indian but folks slowly started to realise that referring to them as such was in fact incorrect. So the collective became Asian.

Funnily enough the colloquialism ?Asian? is still incorrect. As in Britain it refers to people from the Indian sub-continent, Sri Lanka etc. and sometimes even Asia Minor. However Oriental people, the Mongolians and the many peoples of Serbia are also technically Asian.

Simples no?

[Ted Max]

Ermmmm?. Are none of you aware of one of the most significant post colonial events to have happened last century, the formation of the state of Pakistan?

What makes you think they're not aware of it?

Pakistan was formed as an independent state in 1947, by the way. But you knew this, what with it being one of the most significant etc etc...

[Jeremy]

I think we also know that Asia doesn't just include the Indian sub-continent. It's just that the word "Asian" has that connotation in the UK.

In other parts of the world, the term "Asian" implies eastern Asia - which is equally inaccurate.

Also in America, describing someone as "Oriental" is seen as pretty offensive... not sure why...

[Brendan]

Well I?m sure people are aware of it somewhere in the back of their consciousness? but not sure why it isn?t just the obvious reason why people in Britain would start to make the change from the using the term Indian to using the term Asian.

Can?t blame me for getting frustrated when peoples? view points are so frustratingly insular that they genuinely don?t even know the distinction between Britain and the UK.

[Keef]

Pakistan was formed as an independent state in 1947, by the way. But you knew this, what with it being one of the most significant etc etc...

LOL, Sorry Brendan, but Ted beat me to it.

[Jeremy]

I think there are other reasons, apart from the creation of modern day Pakistan. Increaed immigration, travel, global awareness, increased prominence of Asian countries, etc.

[Ted Max]

Well I?m sure people are aware of it somewhere in the back of their consciousness? but not sure why it isn?t just the obvious reason why people in Britain would start to make the change from the using the term Indian to using the term Asian.

I suspect most people thought it was so obvious it didn't need pointing out (Sorry SteveT). Also, it was pointed out, as was the Britain/UK distinction.

But if it suits you that we are all self-absorbed arseholes with the memory of a gnat, then so be it. It's getting a little wearing, though.

[Brendan]

Just imagine what it?s like for me!

[Ted Max]

I can't! I don't have the requisite historical or cultural perspective! Who are you again?

[Brendan]

Typical!

[Brendan]

I wouldn?t take it personally Ted. I am a victim of socially enforced misanthropy, it stems from feelings of social alienation during childhood caused either by feeling distinct from the herd and/or everyone being a cunt.

One of the consequences is, "high sounding language unsupported by dignity of thought" which according to the BBC is the rather poetic way Samuel Johnson described the term Rant in his Dictionary.

So as you can see I actually suffer from a misunderstood condition which is unfairly persecuted due to public misunderstanding.

[Ted Max]

What a terrible thing to live with. And the worst is, you can tell nobody as nobody will understand.

I think the only course left open to you is to construct a vast underground lair, staff it with easily expendable henchmen and willing female assassins, and then let events take their course. That will show them.

[Keef]

Build it under nunhead, there are plenty of expendable people there!

[Brendan]

As intriguing as your ideas are I have to admit I have been a right snarky bastard lately. I have noticed it myself. Not sure why. Something must be pissing me off. I?ll be sure to address it when I find out what it is.

[mockney piers]

Cider withdrawal?

[Brendan]

Probably, although the wife still wants to know why I was three sheets to the wind after only 2 hours in the pub the other week.

[Keef]

Age.

[Brendan]

7.5% Cider more like.

When did that change from Scrumpy to Organic West Country Cider?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Anyone got a frigging clue what this thread is all about?

Liechensteinians in the Principality of Andorra?

[Muley]

When it began being produced more economically in China, probably.

Which reminds me, why did Peking become Beijing. Or Bombay become Mumbai?

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Don't get me started on Andrew Cole