PCN on Hartwell Court

[jacks09]

Got one this morning.

If you don't know it it's the flats opposit East Dulwich Fusion. The PCN states the reason as:

Parked outside of a marked bay/on restricted roadway/landscaped/paved areas or causing an obstruction or inconvenience to others

Now, there is a sign - but i always viewed this as protecting the bay around the back.

There are no marked bays

Is it restricted?

it's not landscaped or paved

Cars could, and did freely pass my parked vehicle.

I'm going to fight this but looking for confirmation that i'm not an idiot for doing it.

[uncleglen]

Bloody traffic wombles...where's Jeremy Clarkson when you need him?

[Salsaboy]

Is it private land and what exactly does it say on the 'ticket'? If it says anything other than 'Penalty Charge Notice' it is an invoice for an implied contract to park on the land, NOT a legal parking ticket. In which case ignore it. You will get letters asking for the name of the driver but you are not legally obliged to divulge this. You may also get letters threatening bailiffs but again, ignore them. You can fight this and win easily.

I have a wealth of knowledge of fighting these rip offs so please PM if you need help.

[malumbu]

My issue is fairness and proportionality. I know many areas where drivers flout parking restrictions as there is no enforcement. Go to the Banqueting Hall in Forest Hill when there is an event on - free parking 100 yards away, a sign in the reception saying the same, but dangerous parking on double yellows on the curve, up the pavement etc etc.

Yet some of us, including me, do the odd thing wrong, in all innocence, not inconveniencing anyone, not a danger, and get a fixed penalty. It would be great if you could explain, get a telling off, and learn from your experience and avoid any repeat. Instead that just alienate tree huggers like me that should be allies. friends think I am mad when I tripple check road signs on parking restrictions but the autorities have their spy cameras on me, and have bugged the car, just waiting for me to step out of line.

Two examples, a council car park next to a Sainsbury's - give the five year old a quid to pay for the extended parking as this is a 'treat' and she but the coin is not registered and gets the wrong parking ticket. Yes should have checked - but give us a break.

Yonks ago got done in car park by Beckenham cinema. 10 to 8, peeing down, hadn't even thought to check that there were still parking charges. Get done 5 mins later. Took this one to appeal and the arbitrator was charming but just managed to get it down to the 50% early payment reduction (a means to stop appeals as you normally lose your right to 50% reducton if you don't pay early). Was it worth the effort?

And just to show I am not a moaning Minnie, got done on congestion charge one Xmas Eve. I never drive through central London but this was one-off. In my mind Xmas eve is a public holiday, and congestion charge not valid. What a pillock I thought, as I paid up.

[intexasatthe moment]

I'm no expert and don't know the details of your case but the " causing obstruction/inconvience " is a pretty catch all phrase .And rather subjective .

[jacks09]

Using MSE templates I have appealed. I am confident I will win.

[Alan Medic]

Who are you appealing against?

[jacks09]

I'm appealing that the ticket is unenforceable

[DaveR]

There have been lots of threads regarding charges for overstaying in private car parks - supermarkets etc - and whether they are enforceable. In case anybody is interested, the issue has just been considered by the Supreme Court, who decided that in principle they are enforceable. That doesn't mean that they always will be enforced, of course, but I would expect the operators to be a lot more bullish from now on.