VW

[malumbu]

You've a stong brand and will bounce back

You've aplogised to owners of your cars in full page adverts

Where is the apology to the people that you have poisened?

[miga]

What they did was unethical, but on your last point, is there any evidence that the NO emissions from VW diesels are any worse than other manufacturers? The car industry as a whole seems to have convinced Brits that diesel cars are cleaner (BlueMotion, Ecotec blah blah), which they are when you look at CO2 emissions only. But the technology is surely fairly similar - is there really that much variation between NO emissions from VW or Peugeot diesels?

[Seabag]

malumbu Wrote:

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> You've a stong brand and will bounce back

> You've aplogised to owners of your cars in full

> page adverts

> Where is the apology to the people that you have

> poisened?

Poisened?

Are we speaking Ye Olde English on this one

Coz where b'eth yor dwelling Sire, i'd like to parkee my 180hp TDI Transporter in the vacinity to give you the airs it breeths out much

To sees if you be struck down deed by this blacke Folk Wagon of mine

*stamps with wax seal*

[Drxyster]

LIKE IT !!!!!!!!!!

[Salsaboy]

Tis sorcery I be telling thee.

[TheArtfulDogger]

Burn the VWitch

( edited because I wanted to)

[malumbu]

All getting a bit shallow.

Manufacturers have to meet test cycles. Most diesel vehicles emit more poison in the real world, as test cycles have to cover a wide range of driving conditions, and in addtion most of us are crap drivers (avoid using the brake my dear man and see how much fuel you save and less poison too!).

The VW results were particularly appalling in the real world hence the US authorities asked them to explain, and eventually they admitted to cheating. So they knowingly emitted more poison even on the regulatory tets.

So what do we reckon to VW?

Irony is that the diesel combustion process is brilliantly efficient but the poison is a byproduct of this. Pretending to meet the poison limits was because they wanted to gain commercial advantage in overall performance of the engine.

Anyway must be careful with all my mud slinging, the above is conjecture and was probably due to a couple of anarchists/ naughty school children/ Edward Snowden/ Jezzer Clarkson who had infiltrated the organisation. Perhaps.

So would you buy a VW?

Or a diesel vehicle from another manufacturer?

Or are you more bothered about trivial issues??

[Seabag]

We dig shallow

Omg the world is corrupt still

It's not I don't care, but 11 million plus "corruptions" is hard to take on board

I'm driving 27k's worth of poison bus

It goes like Sh:t off a shovel, yes I'm in a quandary

I like tea but hate that car hire scam

I'm now convinced the petrol 911 is good value

[malumbu]

It's a known fact that most people with VWs clog the roads up each day outside schools, in the school run, poisoning our little ones. I think that must be manslaughter, or maybe murder now it is well publicised.

Perhaps the police will have a VW amnesty as they do with knives occasionally where you can anonymously hand your car into a police station. Nothing said.

[robbin]

Bonkers.

[Seabag]

I called the Police and told them I was in possession of a murder weapon

"You are number 10,000,000,090 in the queue, please hold"

So meanwhile I've started smoking in the vehicle when my children are in there, I think it's only fair to balance the situation

[uncleglen]

I don't know how people can bring themselves to even get a VW after the admission that they used slaves and people from a concentration camp in their factory. I know it was some years ago but even so....

[Jeremy]

uncleglen - would you buy a Japanese car, then?

[*Bob*]

Must be a very difficult life for you, uncleglen - resolving as you have to purchase goods and services only from companies with impeccable credentials both currently and historically.

I admire your spirit. Though it will be cold in winter - without any clothes.

[miga]

Ethical shopping...it's a minefield.

Exaggeration, I know, but once you set off on that road, and even if you succeed in stopping your use of Siemens, VW, Nike, Adidas, Nestle, EMI etc. etc., do you then stop paying tax, or purchasing anything with VAT because of God knows what nefarious thing HM Government is doing with the tax ??

[Seabag]

Can we start a VWA users group

Only emoticons can express my feelings on the issue

🚐💀📞😷😡💩✊🙊⚡️🍌🍹💔🃏🛂💷🇩🇪📞💉💊🔫🚬🔨📢💭💬⛔️📛📴🚭?🔙🔛🔝🔜

[Dog duck]

Have you been mis-sold TDi?

[uncleglen]

Yes *Bob* difficult- especially as my friend will not use or be near anything manufactured in China.....as for clothes- charity shop- I let others make the first purchase.

It did occur to me when this story first broke that compared to all the construction- generated shyte in the air, especially around here and in the city, the VW extra pollution is nothing.

[miga]

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/all-top-selling-cars-break-emissions-limits-in-real-world-tests

Something doesn't quite sit right. If VW had a software solution to defeat the lab tests, and their cars perform just as badly as everyone else, how did all the others pass the lab tests without "cooking the books"?

[uncleglen]

These paragraphs

"Not a single car among 37 models tested against the two most recent nitrogen oxide emissions standards met the EU lab limit in real-world testing, with the average emissions being more than five times as high.

However, the DfT said it had found no vehicles outside the VW group with systems in place to deliberately rig emissions figures. Robert Goodwill, the junior transport minister, said: ?Unlike the Volkswagen situation, there have been no laws broken. This has been done within the rules.?"

The worrying thing is that all the emissions in the lab are MUCH lower than when the engines are under load and they all breech EU regulations- (although I am very mistrustful of the EU who slap a fine on the UK every year for exceeding their pollution regulations)

[Seabag]

Seabag Wrote:

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> malumbu Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > You've a stong brand and will bounce back

> > You've aplogised to owners of your cars in full

> > page adverts

>

>

> > Where is the apology to the people that you

> have

> > poisened?

>

> Poisened?

>

> Are we speaking Ye Olde English on this one

> Coz where b'eth yor dwelling Sire, i'd like to

> parkee my 180hp TDI Transporter in the vacinity to

> give you the airs it breeths out much

> To sees if you be struck down deed by this blacke

> Folk Wagon of mine

>

> *stamps with wax seal*

I think this is best Shakespearean English myself

[malumbu]

Gosh I am being heckled for a thread from five years ago. What more of my past will you drag up Sparticus? Funny thing is when I read the OP I was going to argue with myself.

[Spartacus]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Gosh I am being heckled for a thread from five

> years ago. What more of my past will you drag up

> Sparticus? Funny thing is when I read the OP I

> was going to argue with myself.

Not me guv, I didn't dig this up.

I think you are confusing me with someone else

Or to put it another way

It wasn't me , a bigger boy did it.

[malumbu]

Oh the name has an S in it. Near enough....

[Spartacus]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Oh the name has an S in it. Near enough....

Does that make you IlonaM as they both have an M in them ?