James Barber Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hi ZT,Apologies I thought I had.Yes, it has gone throguh the legal process and is enforceable.Hi CHarles Notice,I have asked and will share any response I receive.You can also see past ones at - http://maps.southwark.gov.uk/connect/index.jsp?tooltip=yes you'll need to select "Southwark traffic flow data". Then zoom into the area you're interested in and click on a blue dot which represents the location as traffic survey showing volume and speeds. You then can click into further detail.Hi bluecanary,Thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 James, thanks. Think it is vital to stop this nonsense before real damage is done.In regard to the 20mph, this seems to be yet another example of undemocratic imposition by councillors; unless we regularly tap into Southwark website how would we have known these changes were on the horizon Why were special interest groups like that for cyclists alerted in good time but not the general public? We are all affected by these changes.As it is, in my experience the new limit is making the roads riskier not safer because many drivers are flouting 20 mph. If you haven't already, try taking a spin up to Crystal Palace at 20 mph and see what happens. And as for the issue of enforcement, the Council's own records show the police were/are totally against 20mph on main routes.This smacks of undemocratic control freakery at its worst. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Notice Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 What is interesting reading this consultation is there does not appear to be any consultation.7 responses objecting to the 20 mph plan and 2 for the plan.The Council rejects the objection and tell officers to go ahead.How can this be a democratic local consultation.If they had 7 against and 2 for surely it should not have been carried. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hi Charles Notice, first mate,20mph.Consultations aren't referendums. Labour stood on a platform in the May 2014 local elections of 20mph. My lot did as well. We wouldn't have been so zealous about it and would have ensured more pragmatism and measures to make it self enforcing. Either way, Labour have a political mandate for this and many other changes. Consultations are to ensure daft things don't happen and that everything has been thought through. Labour councillors clearly think the 7 objections didn't raise any serious points worth changing their proposals.If you're dead set against them then your best bet is to find a technical failure in the process and raise that with the monitoring officer short-term. Longer term get involved in the political process whatever your party views or start a new party. The Towny Road fiasco shows what can happen if enough people make it clear they don't agree with Southwark Labour plans - and so near an election. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 James, okay, I take it that you support the 20 mph throughout and would not therefore be inclined to oppose it.What about changing unrestricted parking to restricted, will you oppose that? What measures can be taken now to ensure this does not happen? Do you also agree that mixing in the proposed change from 30 mins to one hour with unrestricted spaces to one hour is misleading, if so what can be done to unhitch the former from the latter? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hi first met,I would generally support 20mph but not on every A road. Bit of pragmatism needed.Agree it is misleading - i feel misled. I'm against covering unrestricted to restricted as proposed and have formally objected on that basis for East Dulwich ward. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I don't feel so strongly about 20mph but I do feel let down by the process and also feel that there was not a clear call and space for public consultation. I am sure that playing the system to advantage is viewed as part and parcel of the political game by those within it,but to those on the receiving end it is a cause of disillusion and anger.In your view re 20 mph on all roads, was there adequate warning and information for the general public to have their say? You cite Townley Rd as an example of people protesting to make a change, but if we don't really know, how can this happen?In your view, in thus case, do you think process was adhered to? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
@Woodwarde Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Jamesadvice from various Councillors has been that individual letters/emails are more relevant that petitions. What is the situation with the Southwark petition site on its Consultation page.Would it be useful to raise a petition there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 @woodwarde, perhaps we need a clear guide to effective objection? One part of me feels that is what elected Councillors are for but doesn't seem that effective. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibby Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 He didn't even phone me back not very good in election year James Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hi first mate, woodwarde,Clearly not enough comms around the 20mph consultation otherwise more people would know. It hasn't helped that the rollout has felt ragged.I'm afraid I don't recall if Southwark Life magazine carried this asking for input. Pretty sure the Dulwich Community Council list would have listed it - if you attend a community council you can be added. And I'm pretty sure I would have sent an email out about it - let me know if you want to be added to my email list.You can also set-up an email alert on the Southwark Council website - I think this is the area to subscribe with key words and be prodded via email when decisions are being considered: - http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieLogon.aspx?RPID=529473131&HPID=529473131&Forms=1&META=mgSubscribeLogonYou could also keep up to date via the Forward Plan: - http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgListPlans.aspx?RPId=153&RD=0Hi tibby,Sorry.I'm free now and the reminder of this evening - please call me on 07900 227366 (only not available at bed times 8.30 and 8.45). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibby Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 It's fine James I've got renata doing it for me Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hi James, appreciate the links though I'd add that looking at the second the information on key stuff is overly general and you cannot get into any if the detail as though this is signposted it us not linked to. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 The latter link is effectively radar of decisions coming along. The former alerts to key words you're interested in.The car outside 11 Lordship Lane. Southwark Council after many years has worked out how to give those cars tickets. So the recent red car has gone. Hopefully this is now permanently fixed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 James Barber Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > The car outside 11 Lordship Lane. Southwark> Council after many years has worked out how to> give those cars tickets. So the recent red car has> gone. Hopefully this is now permanently fixed.What was the newly discovered offence?Could this be applied to any other East Dulwich resident with off-street parking?John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazer71 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Good picture, fazer71.It appears to show that the red car is legally parked on private property.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siduhe Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I would guess it's the same point we discussed here. You can't drive across a pedestrian highway, other than at a designated point (like a dropped kerb designed for vehicle use). http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,450326 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 deleted as problem solved Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 James, can you please lodge an objection to the design of form for the parking consultation which is misleading and may not allow for fair and accurate consultation. The issue of currently restricted parking being extended from 30 minutes to one hour should be completetly separate from the proposal to make large stretches of Lordship Lane, currently unrestricted, to restricted. Moreover the form does not allow you to comment on the whole of Lordship Lane, but, for some reason, divides it into sections, arguably diluting objections to the whole. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 if you send a complaint first mate about this to me via below email I will ensure the right officer gets the complaint. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 James, do you not feel it worthy of objection on your own account? I know you are objecting to the unrestricted parking aspect but surely you must agree that the consultation form is a farce and a disgrace. Are you not able to object to this yourself? Or do you think the form is okay as is? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'm trying to untangle this with officers and a helpful resident beign the guinea pig to try the fixes being suggested.ANother example adds weight that the problems are sufficient that the deadline should be extended and the form made easier and I've requested everyone who has responded so far be alerted to the problems and given opportunity to add more responses. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Coach services for DPL on Alleyn Park:"Just to update you on further developments ? from tomorrow we are trialling a walking bus system whereby coaches arriving before 0815 will drop off at the Alleyn?s Head pub where they will be met by DPL staff who will escort the children to school by a walking bus. Unfortunately they can?t commit staff after 0815, so any coaches arriving after that time will continue to drop on the triangle at the junction of Hunts Slip Road. Hopefully this will be some improvement until more long term solutions are actioned by Southwark council." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 James, obviously appreciate you getting involved and actually coming on here to answer and to help, but, please be clear, do you think the current consultation form on parking in ED is fit for purpose, yes or no? Do you think the two issues currently combined should be separated? Yes or no?|James Barber Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I'm trying to untangle this with officers and a> helpful resident beign the guinea pig to try the> fixes being suggested.> ANother example adds weight that the problems are> sufficient that the deadline should be extended> and the form made easier and I've requested> everyone who has responded so far be alerted to> the problems and given opportunity to add more> responses. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7779-former-east-dulwich-councillor-how-can-i-help/page/165/#findComment-821777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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