Ungrateful Migrants/Refugees

[adonirum]

How ungrateful can these people be? It has been reported on the news that the influx of migrants in Hungary have thrown away food and water given to them because of the action Hungarian authorities have taken in erecting fences, closing their border, etc. They are further DEMANDING that they be allowed to continue their migration to wherever they want in the face of Hungary declaring that Serbia (where they currently are)is a "safe place" for them.

Surely they should be happy that they have escaped from Syria, Iraq et al and have been allowed into Europe in the first place?

What do you think?

[miga]

I think the Hungarian state has behaved terribly in the past few months. Hungarian politics is way to the right of here, and Jobbik, essentially a Fascist party (and I don't mean that lightly, they say things that would make the BNP blush) has 10% of the seats in parliament. Hence the razor wire fences.

[rodneybewes]

Looks like some Hungarians don't know their own history, and have forgotten what's it's like to be refugees. I say some, not all, but unfortunately Hungary is being led by extremely right-wing politicians at the moment.

[JohnL]

It's the same bunch of sites that showed the IS flag with migrants yesterday (it was from a year ago).

Check out the names of these sites.

No mainstream reports that I can find.

[Ridgley]

Could it be the eastern block are just not use to diversity of cultures, and feeling a little threaten. Also was it Poland that only want Catholics migrants in their country how can they get away with that.

[uncleglen]

It was reported that some eastern european countries would only accept christian migrants...could have been because they had heard the reports of muslims throwing christians overboard from a crowded boat off the coast of Italy.

[bloonoo]

adonirum Wrote:

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> How ungrateful can these people be? It has been

> reported on the news that the influx of migrants

> in Hungary have thrown away food and water given

> to them because of the action Hungarian

> authorities have taken in erecting fences, closing

> their border, etc. They are further DEMANDING that

> they be allowed to continue their migration to

> wherever they want in the face of Hungary

> declaring that Serbia (where they currently are)is

> a "safe place" for them.

>

> Surely they should be happy that they have escaped

> from Syria, Iraq et al and have been allowed into

> Europe in the first place?

>

> What do you think?

Don't believe everything you read

[miga]

Ridgley Wrote:

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> Could it be the eastern block are just not use to

> diversity of cultures, and feeling a little

> threaten. Also was it Poland that only want

> Catholics migrants in their country how can they

> get away with that.

Serbia and Croatia have been very welcoming to them, so it's misguided to generalise about Eastern Europe's reaction to the immigrants.

[Blah Blah]

Agreed Miga. There is as much ignorance about the diversity of eastern europe (especially culturally) as there is about the middle-east.

[adonirum]

bloonoo, this was not something I read, it was on the news and pictures were shown of the migrants/reugees actually doing this.

I just can't get my head around how ungrateful these people are if they are genuine, which of course we have absolutely no reason to disbelieve that they are.

If I were in their predicament, (thankfully none of us ever have nor would wish to be) I feel sure that I would be extremely relieved to have escaped the conflict and tyranny within my own country. I would be extremely grateful that other nationalities had embraced my plight and donated "food and clothes". (It is reported that the response in this country has been so magnificent that satelite stations are being asked to hold on to their donations for the time being as the central hub has been inundated and have run out of storage space). I cannot see how some of these people are now "thumping the table" and demanding more and wanting their own way.

(Title ammended as, although purposely and deliberately written, on reflection it was wholly inappropriate).

[Azira]

I wouldn't mind betting a lot of these people have PTSD, which can make the sufferer express fear as anger. I take your point, but not sure it is fair to expect "reasonable" reactions from people who have been through significant trauma and are desperate.

I'd have thought this was uncontroversial - after all, we're very good in this country at demanding stuff and appearing ungrateful when we feel miffed.

[intexasatthe moment]

Excellent post Azira .

[Ridgley]

Are the Americans, Australians and the Canadians taking their fair share of migrants as quite a lot of them have families in those countries?

[grabot]

I don't really understand Germany's role in all of this. Would a correct analogy be a bank employee announcing to London "come to my office for free money" then locking his office door and leaving the receptionists to deal with the ensuing stampede and panic? Seems a mess all round.

[JohnL]

grabot Wrote:

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> I don't really understand Germany's role in all of

> this. Would a correct analogy be a bank employee

> announcing to London "come to my office for free

> money" then locking his office door and leaving

> the receptionists to deal with the ensuing

> stampede and panic? Seems a mess all round.

I heard it mentioned as Merkel went down the pub and

invited everyone to hers for a party, then when they

all came round she switched the lights off and hid in

the dark.

[Azira]

Ridgley Wrote:

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> Are the Americans, Australians and the Canadians

> taking their fair share of migrants as quite a lot

> of them have families in those countries?

Why do you think that? The Syrian community in Australia is tiny - thousands less than the amount of refugees they have indicated they will accept.

[grabot]

JohnL Wrote:

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> grabot Wrote:

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> -----

> > I don't really understand Germany's role in all

> of

> > this. Would a correct analogy be a bank

> employee

> > announcing to London "come to my office for

> free

> > money" then locking his office door and leaving

> > the receptionists to deal with the ensuing

> > stampede and panic? Seems a mess all round.

>

>

> I heard it mentioned as Merkel went down the pub

> and

> invited everyone to hers for a party, then when

> they

> all came round she switched the lights off and hid

> in

> the dark.

Sounds like a fun game. Get to enjoy the glow of universal adoration for a while, then have a quiet dig at the grouchy neighbours when they come out to remonstrate with the unruly mob.

[adonirum]

That's a good point, Azira, and one I didn't, and really should have, thought about with regard to PTSD. I would go further than "which can make the sufferer" and state that it almost always does manifest itself as anger/aggression. I don't know that the mob mentality of throwing missiles/setting fires/etc that has been shown could be attributable to this, though. But you do raise an excellent point.

[Azira]

Pleased you took it in the vein it was intended. This topic is one that seems to get a lot of people very defensive/aggressive and tending towards polarised views, so its refreshing to be able to have an actual discussion about it!

The mob mentality thing isn't something I had considered actually. You could be right.

[Ridgley]

Azira wrote

Why do you think that? The Syrian community in Australia is tiny - thousands less than the amount of refugees they have indicated they will accept.

I ask the question because it is not just a European problem it is a globe problem every one has to help not just the Europe counties.

[Blah Blah]

It is a global problem.

Pyschological stresses on refugees can be anything from the trauma of witnessing death and murder to the impacts of exhaustion and hunger. Very few people probably know what it's like to not eat for a couple of days. Poor diet leads to nutrient deficiencies that have specific impacts on energy levels and general mental health. When a group of people are hungry and irritable (a symptom of hunger), without access to sanitation and shelter, a fight or flight mindset takes over. So it's perfectly understandable that a group of desperate people being turned away by people who could help them but choose not to, would resort to violent conduct to force something to change.

[Blah Blah]

People keep asking why refugees don't go to other middle eastern countries and Saudi Arabia? Looking at Saudi's part in trying to destroy Yemen perhaps is a clue. The reason why refugees want to come to Europe is because it's safe. The Middle-East on the other hand is riddled with dictatorships and civil wars.

BBC made this film about Yemen. It's on iplayer. It shows just what it's like to live in a conventional war zone. And exposes how we and the USA are selling the arms that Saudi is using in Yemen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06dst11/our-world-yemen-the-hidden-war

[Azira]

Ridgley Wrote:

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>

> I ask the question because it is not just a

> European problem it is a globe problem every one

> has to help not just the Europe counties.

I meant why do you think that a lot of these people have family in these countries? I don't know about the other countries, but that statement is not very accurate when you look at Australia at least. I'm also not sure that the size of the existing Syrian community is even very relevant. If there is a global duty to take these people in, surely it is based on what they've been through not where they are going?

I'm also curious as to what you're basing the implicit assumption that non-EU countries aren't helping.

[Ridgley]

Maybe it my ignorance but I have not heard anything mentioned. Also the poor boy that drown was heading to my family native country Canada.

[Tarot]

Well ,well, is it ok to talk about immigrants now,stupid merkel created this mess,and the defunct e.u .and scottish sturgeon should go back to being a crankie,if she gets what she wishes scotland will be no more but a cultural dustbin

Just like london.

Soon the gay violin will be playing on this thread, their my fan club really, just like venting their spleen on little old me sad an it.