jackangel Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 So, the ?Dulwich Community Council has made an award to provide a new centrepiece for the roundabout? (at Goose Green). Contact [email protected] for info.yes/no response sheets have been circulated (?) seeking views about the centrepiece:1. A Tree. (Trees are nice. And there aren?t any around for . . . well . . . metres)2. A Signpost. (Signposts are nice. They point to Camberwell and Peckham and places, like those on real road signs)3. A Lantern. (Lanterns are nice. And, at night, it could illuminate . . . er . . . itself)3a* Flowers planted by the Parks Dept. (Don?t they look after the roundabout anyway?)3b* A Fountain. (Drowned football fans every morning after an England defeat . . . hmm, there?s a certain appeal. Ah no! - it would not be provided by a fountain expert, it would become a number 4)4. An Art Installation. (Art is nice, isn?t it? But there are some genuine concerns for creators and consumers.)Public art has three audience groups (LDI), those who Like it, those who Dislike it, and those who are largely Indifferent (but may be steered into saying it?s good/clever/colourful/worthwhile/useless/eyesore/waste of money/etc by the other two groups).Any Art Installation in a public area, where people cannot choose whether or not to view it, will invariably be an irritant to some, possibly many. Maybe we don?t care.Unlike Fast Food, Art has a good press. It is assumed to be inherently ?good?.Once particular individuals/small authoritarian groups (PISAGs) initiate the idea that there should be ?art? in a certain place, the genie can never be fully re-corked.PISAGs decide who should create the art. They have a congenital belief that they know best.ED and its environs are stuffed with artists, craftspeople, designers, inventors and creatives ? yet PISAGs ignore them for the favoured or famous.Residents and others who have to ?face the art? on a daily basis have no special consideration. Consultation = notice to proceed.Look at the borders of SE15/SE22 where bollards were commissioned from Rhodes and Gormley. A gift of a brief ? constrained dimensions and materials for a single practical function ? which resulted in expensive, worse-for-wear, embarrassing street clutter. Who decided this should be public art? Who chose the artists? Why weren?t residents asked if they wanted this art? Dunno. Munygon. Computersayno.Imagine canvassing views at the EDT (because it overlooks the roundabout) at about 10.30 pm, after a long hot Saturday of loosening aesthetic inhibitions. A sudden landslide of opinion may well result in, say, a full-size study of Mr Stay Puft (Ghost Busters 1984) being installed on the roundabout. It would be legitimate because it would satisfy the LDI principle . . . but you know (you do know, don?t you?) the PISAGs wouldn?t stand for it.What to do?* I made up 3a and 3b Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I believe Anthony Gormley has his studio somewhere round here - hence that choice I would think. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellenden Belle Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Can I just say that i LOVE our bollards. I don't regard them as "street clutter" as all. I think it's really nice to have something functional yet quirky - which is exactly what they are. And there are some lovely mosaics on Bellenden Road as part of that commission as well.Personally I love art dotted around - it makes me feel I am part of a unique environment,with character and interest. How dull if everything was uniform. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Art is there to provoke reactions - surely a piece of art whoever's choice it is, is better than a scrap of crappy grass with no interest.I like the bollards too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Another hand up for the bollards Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 An art installation would be good, but it had better be robust (ie made out of stone/concrete) otherwise it will just get smashed up. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 ok, I like the bollards too, but I don't want them on the roundabout. I like the idea of some art on there or a tree/shrubbery/rock garden/japanese water garden or just a proper, decent sign in a old (Victorian?) style. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellenden Belle Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hi Mark,Lordy - I don't want bollards on there either - I was just referring to the post!I agree with you - some art or other significant feature would be lovely. Not really fussed about signage and would like something a little different other than just another tree .... though of course all trees are good things :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutty Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Angel of East Dulwich? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I quite liked it when the shop that is now the William Roses' cow went missing and then after an appeal did a mysterious reappearing act on the roundabout. Not to encourage petty vandalism (students, you know who you are) but it sort of looked like an art installation. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karter Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 The community wardens have suggested a sculpture of a buggy.Lovely :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 All the proposals would restrict drivers' lines vision across the roundabout or may distract drivers when navigating the roundabout and would make the roundabout more unsafe.The Community Council will have access to the risk assessment for each of the proposals.I am unsure of the legal corporate liability of Community Council members who make a "bad decision". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I like to be surrounded by art too, and have never yet considered the local provision to be clutter.I don't quite understand JA's original post: is this saying there is a current petition inviting us to tick 1-4 (not 3a/3b)?Is JA saying (s)he reckons they're all 'nice', but doesn't think art is a good option, or is this on someone's petition?What are we being invited to do - specify whether we're LDI, or establish ourselves as a PISAG?Assuming I'm an L and a PISAG, I did have some sensible suggestions months ago: I'm not a great fan of abstract art, but would like to see something celebrating either Viscount Lord Bolingbroke, or wasn't Enid Blyton born here on LL? A bronze of our favourite local writer ties in nicely with buggies, and our rural gentle friendly village community feel. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 macroban Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> All the proposals would restrict drivers' lines> vision across the roundabout or may distract> drivers when navigating the roundabout and would> make the roundabout more unsafe.> I used to live (temporarily) in a certain new town, west of London. The council there actually deliberatly obscured the view across some of the roundabouts, to force the boy racers to stop and look before entering the roundabout. Not sure if it worked, though... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Macroban, I'm sure nobody's going to endanger traffic. It comes across like you're trying to threaten Council members with legal action just for having a view? Is that trying to shut down debate? I may have misunderstood.Is this an appropriate way to ruin Fireworks night? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 How about a statue of Enid Blyton on the roundabout, and smaller depictions of her characters as bollards up Lordship Lane? The Secret Seven up one side, and the Famous Five on the other? How about Boris Karloff - or is he too Forest Hill? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 ~What about a statue of the woman who invented the A-Z, as she was from round these parts. With it being a landmark of a sort, it would be a rather suitable idea, I think. Nero Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Boris is deffo SE22. Maybe A-Z lady is too SE21? Or we could have a statue of James Nesbitt? Nero Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I like the idea of some sort of statue or art on the roundabout. Should have a local connection - eg Enid Blyton or William Blake with angels. I also like the Bellenden bollards - nice to have something different. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellenden Belle Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I saw the consultation form on the desk of Healthmatters when I was in - but I was wondering where they are being distributed (I can't find an online version) and would really like the chance to cast my vote. Any ideas? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Mebbe we'd get into trouble with Enid Blyton - she wasn't considered so cool by the PC brigade for a while? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Old Skool Lampost like the one in Narnia >:D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TillieTrotter Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 In that case, I vote for Enid.>:D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Blyton's attitudes and language are pretty dated. But if an actual statue of her might cause controversy, how about a representation of her astonishing rate of literary productivity. More than 800 books, plus magazine articles, and at one point an estimated output of 10,000 words a day (thank you Wikipedia). I am in total awe, even if not all of those words were really complex. How about a monument of a perpetually moving keyboard, probably solar-powered? Those who were so-inclined could even take it as a tribute to the Forum.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I just got the shiny leaflet in the post this morning. I opened it and assumed it was a parody from a local lobby group moaning about the ridiculous things councils waste their time on... then I registered the logo and legit website address, and, as it dawned on me that it was genuine, my heart sank.How much is Southwark spending to consult us all on window dressing, while they make decisions about (extending the metaphor) knocking down the walls and converting hospitals to munitions factories behind closed doors?I think we should commission a situationist theatre ensemble to a bit of durational live art on the roundabout 24/7. Get some hoodies on Modern Apprenticeships and New Deal to perform it. Back in the '70s they did shows with revolving stages -- this could be one with a revolving audience. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/731-roundabout-at-goose-green/#findComment-17957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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