jenren Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 We do need to have things put into perspective, fair enough. But look at how distorted and personal the threads against me became for suggesting that parenting might be a bit different than it looks from the outside. Is that perspective? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaj Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I'm sorry? Have I missed something? Where have I said anything personal or distorted against you? If you mean PRs posts they were, perhaps, a little defensive, but they weren't personal against you. I read them as simply the frustration of someone who is tired of being singled out and patronised for being childless. But I suppose we all read from our own perspective, don't we. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 An initial subjective reaction often gives way to a more objective view after due consideration. It is sometimes wise not to act on the knee-jerk reaction. I experienced this transition during the wheelie bin stabbing thread and was accused of appearing inconsistent. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I don't want to seem like I'm also jumping on your original post jenren, as you've copped it a bit, but it's worth pointing out one fallacy:including my right to not have my child's image on someone's "photography" webpageUK law says that you have no rights over your, or your child's, image if it is taken in a public place. Photographers are free to use their photographs of people taken in public places as they wish - including for commercial gain.There is no legal restriction on photography in public places, and there is no presumption of privacy for individuals in a public place. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Erm... I'm not too sure it's others that are making it more personal than you are jenren. No no I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with the others who you feel are trying to personall attack you. No really I'm not. I just dont see why the feeling of this thread has picked up tension.:-S Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenren Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sorry annaj, I didn't mean you. There just seemed to be a run of threads by several people that took a definite "f*&k you jenren!" tone. I was childless for a very long time, but it never occurred to me that I could or should really understand what it felt like. I didn't feel patronized, it just is what it is. I guess because I have experience on both sides (which actually is what perspective is) I forget to clarify that I understand and can consider both sides. Didn't feel that here today. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------There is no legal restriction on photography in public places, and there is no presumption of privacy for individuals in a public place.But I think this is changing under counter terrorism laws which is, at least on some occasions, used incorrectly to stop perfectly innocent photography of trains, planes, ships, street scenes, fairs, etc etc.I'm tempted to go along Whitehall and take a photo of the police at entrance to Downing Street - I fear that I'd be at least cautioned if I did so. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 You are confusing the actual law vs what the police do, Marmora Man! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenren Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Oh boy, this certainly has become a bit, odd? No tension intended. I don't believe in laws against taking pictures either. I spent years on amateur photography and loved it. But even then I had the sense to approach children differently. I absolutely support any photographer's right to public visual interest. What I was trying to say (badly, agreed ) is that if he was doing nothing wrong than perhaps sneaking (maybe? juries still out on that one) photos of individual children in a park setting is bound to raise a few eyebrows, especially with parents, who, admittedly ,spend every minute of our lives with a nervous twitch). If I was sitting by myself and a stranger walked up to me and discreetly took a photo I'd feel kind of the same way (without the 'get away from my child, creep! thing we tend to do. Yes I do get it :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenk Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 This is all hypothetical, and forgive me for being 'dark' here, but I am pretty sure that the majority of dubious images of children are not taken in busy public parks with their parents nearby. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well done lenk. Absolutely.And to earlier posts I am childfree, not childless. But I am very childaware. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clara-b Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 going back to the original post the best course of action if you are suspicious of someone talking photos of you or your children is to take a photo of them - if they are just innocently taking pictures in a public place then they won't mind you doing the same. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Perhaps we should all start wearing hoodies? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenk Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Simply smash the suspect's camera to pieces with a hammer - if they had nothing to hide they would simply look on in horror. If they were in guilty of something heinous they would scream out 'my beloved mucky pictures!' Easy. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophiesofa Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hmmn Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think we should all just stay indoors and live out our lives in terror and suspicion. You can't be too careful, you know. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophiesofa Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 But what if you have a computer in the house that has access to... chat rooms with lurkers on! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 If we had more covert police surveillance cameras, that might deter the miscreants?The police could finance the project via a pay-to-view website of the candid images they capture?Problem solved, I reckon. Win-win all round! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger ranks Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 i put a thread on this last year while in dulwich park this man done the same thing but by the time i questioned the ladys who was sitting with thier childern he had dissapeared.Sorry to say but taking pictures of childern in public without parents permission is not acceptable and as this man is known if i see him i know what i am going to do if he tries to take a photo of my child Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenk Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Does anyone read the 'from the message boards' bit of Private Eye? Just having deja vu. Back on topic, yes if anyone comes near my daughters I swear I'll do time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sorry to say but taking pictures of childern in public without parents permission is not acceptable I can assure you it happens many, many times every day. If not hundreds of times. And you have no idea who is on the other side of those cameras... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clara-b Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 sophiesofa - I assume from your post that you think I am a "lurker" - no just new to east dulwich and this forum. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophiesofa Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 No my lurker comment wasn't aimed at you or anyone else on the forum. I'm also relatively new to the forum and East Dulwich, welcome. I was just adding to Loz's joke comment about staying indoors by saying the internet is also a potentially dangerous place - although i obviously failed. I think taking a photo can be effective. My mate has this sort of stalker and I happened to be with her one time when he appeared and commenced following her round lots of shops. I took a photo of him really obviously and he then left. She didn't see him for a few months (very unusual for him) but sadly he reappeared a couple of weeks ago. She also had a photo to show the police, which she did. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebeard Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ban all photography in public places!Ban all cameras in public places!Ban all old men in public places!Ban public places.Ban public events.I wonderWhilst?They walked him home and told him not to go back to the festival.?What crimes were being committed?Maybe the crime of dressing kids like teenagers?Dressing children MJ style ?masks etc? maybe the only solution.I can see a fortune to be made out of such clothing would do a cracking business on LL.The kid mask shops anyone.Would that be ironic? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 and going back to the OP....rather than the hysteria of ban all photos in public/defend photography to the death"The man may have been innocently taking photos however I am confused why he wouldn't look through the lens and take them. Why would he hold a camera by his knee, press the button and then walk quickly away."Is the camera by the knee and the run away a new reportage technique? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/7107-man-with-camera-at-fusion-fest-today/page/3/#findComment-227754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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