Labour Leadership

[Loz]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> There is a lot of nonsense being talked about Corbyn. The fact that his ideas are considered to

> be somehow extreme, just demonstrates the degree to which the current political discourse has

> become nothing more than an echo chamber, for a few identikit timid careerists.

But Corbyn is more 'left' that the current government is 'right', yet some people consider the current government's policies to be 'extreme'.

[Earl Aelfheah]

That depends on where you consider the centre ground to be.

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> That depends on where you consider the centre

> ground to be.

I'm pretty sure Cameron feels he's in the Centre Right.

But I'd say this governments position varies by policy -

so they're probably pretty pragmatic in many ways.

[Jah Lush]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> There is a lot of nonsense being talked about

> Corbyn. The fact that his ideas are considered to

> be somehow extreme, just demonstrates the degree

> to which the current political discourse has

> become nothing more than an echo chamber, for a

> few identikit timid careerists.

I agree.

Nice bit of satire here.

http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150811/1025628905/Jeremy-Corbyn-Britain-politics.html

[Otta]

DaveR Wrote:

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> "The fact that his ideas are considered to be

> somehow extreme....."

>

> by 90% of the electorate

Really?

[DaveR]

DaveR Wrote:

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> "The fact that his ideas are considered to be

> somehow extreme....."

>

> by 90% of the electorate

Really?

It depends whether you cherry pick the popular ones e.g. renationalise the railways, or consider the whole package: leave NATO, unilateral nuclear disarmament, support for Hamas/Hezbollah, abolish all free schools and selective schools, punitive income tax rates, relaxed immigration controls, a much easier ride for trade unions, and generally much more government intervention in the economy. The nearest thing to a Corbyn manifesto would be the notorious "suicide note" Foot manifesto, and would be likely to fare even worse today.

[Jah Lush]

"Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.

At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.

I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour ? which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party ? barely distinguishable from the Tories."

[DaveR]

"Sputnik is an international multimedia news service launched on 10 November 2014 by Rossiya Segodnya, an agency wholly owned and operated by the Russian government, which was created by a Decree of the President of Russia on 9 December 2013"

Obviously a perfect source if you want to have your finger on the pulse of the British people.

[Jeremy]

Well.. I'm anti-war and anti-austerity, but at the same time believe in a capitalist/market economy. Corbyn doesn't represent my views any more than Cameron does.. who the hell would there be left for people like me to vote for? I hope Corbyn doesn't get in, but it's starting to look inevitable.

[Jah Lush]

DaveR Wrote:

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> "Sputnik is an international multimedia news

> service launched on 10 November 2014 by Rossiya

> Segodnya, an agency wholly owned and operated by

> the Russian government, which was created by a

> Decree of the President of Russia on 9 December

> 2013"

>

> Obviously a perfect source if you want to have

> your finger on the pulse of the British people.

Could say something similar about the Daily Mail and their support for Hitler and Oswald Mosley's black shirts prior to WW2 and their continued hatred of anything remotely foreign that is owned by Barclay brothers, a couple billionaire tax avoiding non-domiciles.

[Louisa]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Well.. I'm anti-war and anti-austerity, but at the

> same time believe in a capitalist/market economy.

> Corbyn doesn't represent my views any more than

> Cameron does.. who the hell would there be left

> for people like me to vote for? I hope Corbyn

> doesn't get in, but it's starting to look

> inevitable.

The Liberal Democrats? ;-)

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Indeed.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market economy. What tosh.

[Loz]

DaveR Wrote:

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> It depends whether you cherry pick the popular

> ones e.g. renationalise the railways, or consider

> the whole package: leave NATO, unilateral nuclear

> disarmament, support for Hamas/Hezbollah, abolish

> all free schools and selective schools, punitive

> income tax rates, relaxed immigration controls, a

> much easier ride for trade unions, and generally

> much more government intervention in the economy.

Not to mention Corbyn supports giving the Falklands Islands to Argentina.

[DaveR]

"Could say something similar about the Daily Mail and their support for Hitler and Oswald Mosley's black shirts prior to WW2 and their continued hatred of anything remotely foreign that is owned by Barclay brothers, a couple billionaire tax avoiding non-domiciles."

You could say that. But people might ask you whether you can tell the difference between the pointy bit where your arm bends and the fleshy bit you sit on.

[Jeremy]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market economy. What tosh.

Find me a quote which suggests that he does.

[*Bob*]

I'm looking forward with interest to a bit of Corbyn - if it happens.

UK politics needs a shake-up. I used to be quite interested but I must admit over the last several years I've become totally bored with the same parade of PR monkeys taking turns sitting in the middle of the playground.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> -----

> > Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market

> economy. What tosh.

>

> Find me a quote which suggests that he does.

That's ridiculous. are you seriously suggesting that he is a communist. Have you actually listened to him at all?

[????]

He has firmly held principles which he stick to but they are of course delusional rubbish, he's a pretty old school lefty with predictable dogmatic stances that spring from being an old school lefty and I can't believe intelligent people in the Labour Party are really thinking of voting for him even though rhetorically and image wise he?s very different from the other robots. But a leader, really?

He supported Benn's support for co-operative socialism at Triumph...the reality of Benn's 'great experiment' was that Triumph workers lost their personal redundancy payments thanks to Benns' totally impractical, unfeasible and undeliverable 'support'

He's tediously dogmatically anti-american (aren't they all); so blames Russian policy on american aggession like some pathetic 70s maoist student. You know - that's Russia that invaded another countries sovreaugn territory and gave missiles to rebels that shot down an international flight ALL AMERICA'S FAULT; I presume Russia's disgusting discriminatory laws on homosexuality are also somehow. He even said he thought that ridiculous Russian News station you get on Satellite in hotels tells us the truth more than our media....PRAVDA

He thinks the sun shines out of Venezuala's ar*e though since the money tree has been found not to have not been a real money tree now means that the country's economy is collapsing and it's lefty govt is shutting down opposing media/politicians and protest. But you know it's sins can be forgiven as it's left wing.,,,and it's anti-america of course

He supported the anti-Semitic Surrey Priest who posts links on social media from CT websites (including holocaust denial ones) because he's Anti-Israel (shock horror, now there's a surprise... Right on brother Jezz).

He?s far more left than any leader of the Labour Party since the 1950s and a relic of the radical lefty politics of the 60s?

[Loz]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market economy. What tosh.

How about his own website?

A much greater sense of union solidarity across national frontiers and across continents is necessary to demand security, job protection and a planned economy, rather than the free-market model whose inevitable collapse has been greeted with huge amounts of public money for the banking system but not for the victims of their greed.

[????]

However. What he (or the mad support for him) does show is the poverty of existing mainstream politicians in the Labour Party. He'd be an absolute disaster for this country IMO.

[*Bob*]

???? Wrote:

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> He has firmly held principles which he stick to

> but they are of course delusional rubbish, he's a

> pretty old school lefty with predictable dogmatic

> stances that spring from being an old school lefty

> and I can't believe intelligent people in the

> Labour Party are really thinking of voting for him

> even though rhetorically and image wise he?s very

> different from the other robots. But a leader,

> really?

>

> He supported Benn's support for co-operative

> socialism at Triumph...the reality of Benn's

> 'great experiment' was that Triumph workers lost

> their personal redundancy payments thanks to

> Benns' totally impractical, unfeasible and

> undeliverable 'support'

>

> He's tediously dogmatically anti-american (aren't

> they all); so blames Russian policy on american

> aggession like some pathetic 70s maoist student.

> You know - that's Russia that invaded another

> countries sovreaugn territory and gave missiles to

> rebels that shot down an international flight ALL

> AMERICA'S FAULT; I presume Russia's disgusting

> discriminatory laws on homosexuality are also

> somehow. He even said he thought that ridiculous

> Russian News station you get on Satellite in

> hotels tells us the truth more than our

> media....PRAVDA

>

> He thinks the sun shines out of Venezuala's ar*e

> though since the money tree has been found not to

> have not been a real money tree now means that the

> country's economy is collapsing and it's lefty

> govt is shutting down opposing media/politicians

> and protest. But you know it's sins can be

> forgiven as it's left wing.,,,and it's

> anti-america of course

>

> He supported the anti-Semitic Surrey Priest who

> posts links on social media from CT websites

> (including holocaust denial ones) because he's

> Anti-Israel (shock horror, now there's a

> surprise... Right on brother Jezz).

>

> He?s far more left than any leader of the Labour

> Party since the 1950s and a relic of the radical

> lefty politics of the 60s?

Yeah but I like his beard.

[*Bob*]

???? Wrote:

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> However. What he (or the mad support for him) does

> show is the poverty of existing mainstream

> politicians in the Labour Party. He'd be an

> absolute disaster for this country IMO.

Agree with both!

[*Bob*]

I think it'll be a Scottish independence moment though. Corbs all the way right up until the ballot box - when Burnham will get in.

[Otta]

I wouldn't mind Corbyn getting in and Labour losing the next GE, if it gave other Labour MPs a massive kick in the arse and wake up call.

I think all that people want is some passion and someone who seems real.