Ridgley Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Will this be the end of Labour, or with this be a revolution they making a new version on Citizen Smith :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think the Tories should not be too complacent,corbyn has the power to bring London to its knees he has the backing of the union watch this space. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 well Ed had that.A complete aside but I could see Corbyn resining at some point. He's going to loathe being leader. He's a veteran of the issue driven campaigning, non-ministerial, non-responsibilty (beyond his constituents and conscience) lefty whose apparently quite shy with few friends in parliament (I mean friends in the non-political sense). He's used to setting his own personal agenda based on issues he's interestred in and at the fringe. As leader of the oppossition he has actual constitutional responsibilities beyond just being leader of the Labour Party, not least meetings with Cameron once a week as an example; as Leader of the Labour Party he has enormous responsibility and duty within the party. He's presumambly loved the campaigning as that's his forte. On Monday that's all ended and for the first time in his life he'll have some serious responsibility. He'll be targeted by the media and Tories in a way that has even began yet plus he'll have revolts simmering in his own party. Even something like Rememberance Sunday will be interesting...I don't see Corbyn as Red Poppy wearer...although he'll probably avoind the Donkey Jacket :). He'll hate it I reckon - genuine non-political point of view Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 There are a few stories going around that he didn't want to run at all, but for various reasons the other more left-wing candidates wouldn't/couldn't run and so he rather unenthusiastically threw his hat in the ring. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 And these stories are BS. My Ma in Law and a very close colleague know JC very well and these stories are tripe.However, I do agree with ???s (SHOCK) that once he has changed the political landscape for the better I can see him standing down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yep, don't think he's in it for the long game. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 So that's that. At least things might be interesting for a bit.Say what you like about being a party of opposition, but right now we need opposition desperately. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Corks popping down my way! I am overwhelmed with joy! It's time to call out the Tories on their unfairness and targeting of the vulnerable.Ending the social cleansing of London resonates very strongly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Indeed, although I was thinking "shut up about London Jezza, you don't want to alienate the North in your first speech". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Well. It won't surprise you that I think his economics and defence views would be a disaster for this country and ultimately that would effect the poor the most. Thankfully, I think that the rest of the country is a lot wiser than social media. But enjoy it for now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Choice of Sadiq Khan and now Corbyn overwhelming rejection of Blairites and Blairite policies. Perhaps we can now have an opposition with some teeth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-899991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 His first worry will be the Parliamentary Labour Party. They might unite around him, but in a Julius Caesar type way.Looking at the Guardian summary of his policies:Economy: His weakest area, straight up. His anti-austerity call will get good press, but will fall down in the detail. The completely barking 'print loads of money to fund things we like' plus the old 'tax the rich' stuff (ideologically good soundbite, but never actually raises much money). Tax: Richard Murphy's made up number on the tax gap is going to come back to bite him. Finding ?120bn worth of 'unpaid' tax will be... um... interesting.Education: Good - but expensive - ideas.Housing: Popular - but ineffective - ideas.Immigration: A couple of months ago, these might have caused him problems, but recent events make these rather timely.Defence: Pulling out of NATO? One word - barking. Public Ownership: Unsurprising policies. May need to pull out of Europe to enact some of them, since EU rules may prevent him doing them.Europe: He's a surprisingly unclear on his Europe policy. Not sure what he believes.Heathcare: Anti-privatisation, but apart from that, not much in the way of change.Foreign Policy: Wobbly, to say the least. I get the feeling he knows that this is the bit he's going to get the greatest grief and the least support for his ideology. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbin Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Labour is now being run by Tom and Jerry. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Well it's only the presence of ER, gawd save 'er, stops the whole country being led and run by Chas & Dave innit? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbin Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ha! Good one. An abdication sounds a bit less painful after all! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbboy Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 IMO seems as though labour have gone Left, very far left, standing there signing the Red Flag. With 7 of the Shadow Cabinet resigning, the rats are already leaving the sinking ship. Government will be a long way off for Corbyn & co. PMQ's this Wednesday will be very interesting, Cameron now has an adversary who is more senior to him so let the game's begin. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 I cringed at the whole people's flag thing.For me JC's role is this1. Realign the centre so that it is actually in the middle.2. Make life less comfortable for the government and highlight some of their less morally sound policies.3. Make way for a new younger leader who doesn't come across as another one off the production line of shiny new career politicians.We'll see how it all works out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cella Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Exactly my thinking so totally agree as a medium term strategy. The challenge will be in nurturing the new talent. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > We'll see how it all works out.They're all reasonable expectations, Otta. It's the people who actually think Corbyn is actually PM material I worry about. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Problem for me is that the Tories will be free to expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic policies without credible opposition. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsaboy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 It seems to me that Labour have elected Michael Foot again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Problem for me is that the Tories will be free to> expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic> policies without credible opposition.What makes you think the last lot were credible? The whole point is that the Tories now have an opposition that isn't Tory-lite. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Jah Lush Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Jeremy Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Problem for me is that the Tories will be free> to> > expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic> > policies without credible opposition.> > What makes you think the last lot were credible?> The whole point is that the Tories now have an> opposition that isn't Tory-lite.Yes. Hooray! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Tee hee,http://newsthump.com/2015/09/12/jeremy-corbyn-appointed-to-lose-the-next-election/?utm_campaignBTW what a shambling rambling acceptance speech. This bloke our potential PM FFS???? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 I thought his speech was pretty good, and dare say he couldn't have impressed you whatever he said. He paid tribute to his opponents, he made a direct appeal to the press to keep people's families out of it, and he got the crowd going. It was a speech for the people that had just voted for him, if he couldn't play to them yesterday when could he? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/69667-labour-leadership/page/12/#findComment-900540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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