bigbadwolf Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Sorry to butt in chaps but have any of you lot seen the BBC's Empire of Cricket? I saw the one on India last night and it was very interesting especially since the game seems to have shaped the nation. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwick Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Goochie and Tres were nowhere NEAR the class of KP over their careers! To suggest such a thing is preposterous! Forget First Class, what were their Test averages? (They are shown here by the way: http://stats.cricinfo.com/england/engine/records/batting/highest_career_batting_average.html?class=1;id=1;type=teamI'll put it like this. Goochie took 215 innings to score 20 Test centuries. KP has *already* got 16 in 97 innings. The record in the history of English Test cricket is 22 held jointly by Hammond and Boycott.I've said it before and I'll say it again. TO suggest dropping EASILY our best batsman for the last 35 years is madness of the highest order! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That Viv Richards was an arrogant fella....no way would have I have wanted him in my team. What's the use of having a batsmen who getsLoads of runsquicklyand deystroys opposition attacks?Bring back Tavare I say Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwick Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I saw the Empire of Cricket about the West Indies, and yes, very good. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I?ll wager that the likes of Strauss are just as arrogant as Pietersen when you get to know them personably, they just don?t show it in the same way. At least KP?s personality has (or used to have) a certain na?ve honesty to its arrogance. Going by my own personal prejudices I suspect he is of a certain type of privately educated, arrogant South African that I grew-up, went to school with and have developed a particular distaste for over my lifetime but I don?t for a minute believe that the England team isn?t peppered with the English equivalent. But those are my personal prejudices and, while based soundly on personal experience, prejudices are often wrong. Who knows, the guy may be humble in his personal life but just backs himself (very justifiably) when it comes to cricket. You don?t select these guys on their personality though unless it actually hampers their performance to the point where there is someone who is better. He is the most talented batsman of this generation. Most runs in his first 50 tests bar none except Bradman, fastest batsman ever to 4000 test runs, and average of 50 after 54 tests and still the best English batsman of this series despite playing with an injury which was quite visibly hampering him. He is also the most entertaining batsman to watch since Brian Lara. Most English pundits have gradually come to accept this but some still stick to the original indignation they had in his early career which was based on the fact that he was brilliant, arrogant and South African and that England could never have produced a player of the same calibre. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 On an unrelated matter, I walked past Mathew Hayden yesterday afternoon outside St James Park tube station. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I think this guy?s been reading my earlier posts on this thread. Australia are just not hairy enough Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Brendan....you're talking to yourself again fella Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 We all need intelligent conversation sometimes. And another thing.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 No question about KP's talent or record so far, and no way he could have been dropped if fit. Having said that, he'd be even better if he tried really hard not to get out to stupid shots, and was able to tailor his game a bit to the state of the match. KP is never going to be a classic 'accumulator' but a Test no. 4 is expected to take you on from a good start to a winning position, or steady the ship if you lose a couple of wickets quickly. Having KP at no.4 puts more pressure on nos. 3, 5 and 6 and makes selection a bit more difficult. He'll win you more games than he loses you, but the Ashes is not a good time to have a (relative) loss of form.Anyway, it's all immaterial now - it's down to Bopara and Bell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I would be quite happy if it just rained for the rest of the summer now! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Eeeeeek, careful what you ask for!!Good to have Brendan back, though is it some coincidence that he and TLS have returned at the same time? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you suggesting some kind of subversion Mr Mockney? *Steeples fingers and raises one eyebrow* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm saying nothing Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Nothing Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Nothing at all!!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Release the hounds. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Doh!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-230526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 What have you started Brendan?From Guardian OBO:12.03pm Bumble is with the umpire Rudi Koertzen. In short, we will not be starting until 3 or 4pm at the very earliest. "We are concerned about the softness of the ground... water running off the covers onto the outfield... fairly muddy area... do you like my little beard... we will do everything to get the game on the road as soon as we can... I trim it every morning... Do you want to touch it... Gonna have a problem with the bowlers' run-ups... Only 50p a stroke... Touch it... Touch it!!!!", Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Has anyone else noticed the Ricky-P doesn't shave during a test match? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Probably cos it would be a bit dangerous to shave while chewing gum which he seems to do non-stop. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Geez. Haddin's broken his finger warming up! Don't want to laugh, but...BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :)-D (Hope the replacement isn't a new 'Gilly' though...) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 One word, "Onions" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee82 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Two very quick wickets! Happy days. Looks like we're back on our way. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/6921-the-ashes-2009/page/15/#findComment-231929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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