Kindly Join Me In Wishing Baroness Thatcher Continued Good Health...

[Huguenot]

I don't think Gallinello 'beat me', as I wasn't trying to win.

I was pointing out that words and phrases s/he used in describing Thatcher were associated with warfare and pillage. Their use was persistent, repetitive and the without rational context.

If you've ever seen those films where they strap a victim into a chair, turn the volume up to eleven, and flash scenes of horrifying inhumanity across the screen in front of them until their brain is frazzled and their morality destroyed - then Gallinello's quote was the verbal equivalent.

The images of 'Thatcher's henchmen' - the 'yuppies, city-slickers and wide-boys' were similarly grotesque caricatures - bearing no resemblance to Jah Lush and the retiring family people who did vote conservative. If they had blood dripping from gaping mouths onto Thomas Pink Ties over the corpses of babies, a better job couldn't have been done.

Gallinello's quote was the sick rant of a twisted mind, using verbal tweaks and cadence to remove the rational skills of the audience.

This is the world of Orwell's 1984: revolutionary drones staring slack-jawed at the propoganda broadcast.

It's such an easy, lazy thing to do. There's a 'hysterical' satisfaction in capitulating to the mob - we do it at football matches. For the disposessed it's even easier, they've long since handed away responsibility for their own lives.

However, for the educated middle classes to do it out of a misplaced sense of solidarity is pathetic. Since they have the power to resolve the situation their energies would be better spent elsewhere.

A sad f*cking day.

The irony clearly swept you by Galli, but my observations on the 70s were merely to point out that the same obnoxious hyperbolic trick could be played on your own pantheon.

[Keef]

Marmora Man, you forgot number 15.

15. A free pint for everyone after work on Friday :)-D

Utopia indeed, but surely anyone saying all this stuff is living a very different reality, and should probably be on meds.

[immaterial]

Helluva lot of right-wing, blinkered bias on this forum. How is it that you've all gravitated to East Dulwich?

[Sherwick]

immaterial Wrote:

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> Helluva lot of right-wing, blinkered bias on this

> forum. How is it that you've all gravitated to

> East Dulwich?

They all came from Richmond.

[*Bob*]

immaterial Wrote:

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> Helluva lot of right-wing, blinkered bias on this

> forum. How is it that you've all gravitated to

> East Dulwich?

It was cheap.

[JudoMum]

Have you failed to notice that the UK is practically a police state?

[david_carnell]

Yes. But then I'm in leg-irons.

[Sherwick]

JudoMum Wrote:

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> Have you failed to notice that the UK is

> practically a police state?

Yes. I've failed to notice this completely.

[*Bob*]

JudoMum Wrote:

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> Have you failed to notice that the UK is

> practically a police state?

I recommend a visit to an actual police state to check the veracity of this statement.

[Sherwick]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> JudoMum Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > Have you failed to notice that the UK is

> > practically a police state?

>

> I recommend a visit to an actual police state to

> check the veracity of this statement.

Which one?

[Brendan]

Marmora Man Wrote:

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> Naturally there is no mention of how this Utopia

> is to be funded nor any recognition that the state

> they propose has no support from those they claim

> to represent and would, if implemented, bankruptb

> the country inside a year - if not sooner.

It?s not an entirely unworkable situation (admittedly one of many viable ways of running a country) with a few modifications and a break from the idea that unions and political parties are needed for some kind of leadership. The approach is that of ideological rhetoric but so is the idea that it?s ridiculous and will bankrupt the country. You may as well just be responding to a propaganda poster of Marx by drawing devil horns on him.

There is no reason why a modern state can?t take the stance to run all essential industries and services and run them with accountability to an elected parliament and therefore the electorate.

There is also no reason why social inequality can?t be addressed by free education and healthcare and liveable minimum wages.

The biggest danger to socialism are parties and unions because these are just vehicles of power that the self serving bastards (who in a capitalist society will end up on boards somewhere exploiting people) will end up running and exploiting the situation.

[immaterial]

Well I came from Twickenham, via Hampton and Hanworth, but I've never read such rabid, rightist drivel!

It's as if the last 30 years of privatision, financial corruption, continual war (Gulf wars I and II, Afghanistan) and relentless pursuit of profit, heralded by Mrs. T., continued by Labour and about to be resumed by Cameron's 'New' Coservative Party, never came to pass.

Let's have some reasoned, objective analysis of the political economy, then and now, I implore you all!

[*Bob*]

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> Which one?

Ooh, I dunno. Just stick a pin in the map. China, maybe?

See if you can spot the difference between 'being slightly inconvenienced by the Police at climate camp' and 'getting run over by a tank'.

[Huguenot]

What was the right wink blinkered stuff?

Being rational, was that right wing?

You may be disappointed to learn that you can be a socialist and still be a long way around the clock from the Maoist morons.

There's a sudden spate of new posters on the forum with half-baked revolutionary cant - is this something to do with the warm spell? Like flies from under window sills?

[*Bob*]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> There's a sudden spate of new posters on the forum

> with half-baked revolutionary cant - is this

> something to do with the warm spell? Like flies

> from under window sills?

It's the school holidays, isn't it?

[????]

it's gone all "Dear Comrades" from Private Eye on here..

[Huguenot]

Of course.

Should'a guessed... 'Immaterial' it's like, 'Whatever'

Brendan, I think the challenge with those political formats weren't technical, but psychological.

Humanity doesn't flourish in those environments. The lack of reward for extra effort undermines the desire to contribute, we work to the lowest common denominator, we are atrophied.

Most left wing revolutionaries don't envisage this outcome, they merely demonstrate a poisonous greed where the 'redistribution' of wealth gives them more for doing less.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

As someone who likes to keep to the Thread title at all times, as I'm sure has been noticed, allow me to return the purpose of this thread and invite you to follow me in wishing Margeret continued happiness and good health while she spends her remaining years joyously listening to Family tales from her beloved children, Sir Mark and Carol.

Margeret we salute you.:)-D

[????]

Tony - we will remove your right to secondary picketing and launch a taskforce if you don't stop it. You're a very naughty boy.

[Keef]

Immaterial, I'm interested to hear who you feel is right wing in his thread, and why?

[Keef]

And as for judomum's police state. Are you having a bubble?

[????]

No, come on Keef London's like Tehran Keef - the self-indulgent crassness of such (Judomum's) statements are unbelievable aren't they?

[Sherwick]

immaterial Wrote:

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> Well I came from Twickenham, via Hampton and

> Hanworth, but I've never read such rabid, rightist

> drivel!

Ah, but that isn't Kew Gardens or Richmond by the bridge!

[Brendan]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Brendan, I think the challenge with those

> political formats weren't technical, but

> psychological.

>

> Humanity doesn't flourish in those environments.

> The lack of reward for extra effort undermines the

> desire to contribute, we work to the lowest common

> denominator, we are atrophied.

>

> Most left wing revolutionaries don't envisage this

> outcome, they merely demonstrate a poisonous greed

> where the 'redistribution' of wealth gives them

> more for doing less.

Yeah I know. Hence the general failure of communism.

I think if you had to make it work you would have to raise the floor (to use some good ol? new labour terminology) buy increasing minimum wage and employment conditions but do away with the other trappings like social housing. People would still work to have a big house in a nice neighbourhood, wanky car ect. but those at the bottom should have the means to provide for themselves (capitalism fails on this in most countries). I also (If I was boss of the world you understand)wouldn?t put limitations on personal wealth but there would have to be controls on the massive accumulation of land by individuals or companies.

Anyway it?s just a hypothesis. I think lots of people close their minds to ideas becasue of deep seated ideological prejudices.

[????]

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