Daily Mail readers show their true colours

[RosieH]

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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>> As someone who, almost certainly, socialises with

> a higher proportion of friends from different

> Races than anyone else on EDF,

Really Tony? I'd never have guessed you felt that to be the case...

[Ted Max]

Look, there's nothing wrong with spending your every weekend visiting distant postcodes of London with a clipboard and a selection of differently-coloured felt tip pens, noting the ethnic make-up of the area. That's totally normal, and definitely won't send you a little bit crazy.

I saw a black student and a white student on the bus together today having a laugh, but I could tell that each was yearning for a closer cultural affinity. They weren't too impressed with me making some notes on the matter though. It was only when I asked them if they got their clothes off the market things got a bit nasty, though. They weren't to know I was only after information for my survey on the retail habits of indigenous and immigrant peoples.

Never mind, such field research is vital, and I shall not be downhearted.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

RosieH Wrote:

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

As someone who, almost certainly, socialises with a higher proportion of friends from different Races than anyone else on EDF, Really Tony? I'd never have guessed you felt that to be the case...

My "guess" is that many on here have never had a Partner from o/s their own race ( I know you have Rosie).

Have only a small handful, at most, of social acquaintances ( other than work).

However LOL They DO know the "nice Asian Man at The Newsagents" and their "nice local Doctor" and apart from the occassional Guy down the local pub joining who is part of their Group, thats probably about it.

Of course all those who are covered by this description will say nothing and the few ( if any) who do not fit this description will only be to ready to respond by telling me, in their case, that this is not so.

[Ted Max]

Good style, Tone. Resigned indifference to your post is to be regarded as confirmation. I like it.

Of course, anyone who agrees with me will probably not post, and only those who disagree will be seen making love to a chained elephant on the Goose Green Roundabout later today.

[Ted Max]

See? No posts and no pachyderm abuse as yet. Everyone agrees with me.

[Jeremy]

I think it's natural for first (and to an extent, second) generation immigrants to socialise mainly amongst themselves. It is the same with British ex-pats... in fact, the Brits are possibly the best example of this. It's a shame, but it's also understandable. It is not done from any desire to avoid the native population, it is simply because it's easier to make friends with someone who shares your language, culture, customs, cuisine, religion, etc.

I don't view it as a big problem, and furthermore, I think things are changing. The world is becoming more integrated... we're becoming more aware of each other's cultures and taking more of an interest in them. People in the UK - and I would guess London in particular - are more familiar with other cultures than ever before, and people have started to view the cultural mix as a benefit. Mixed race relationships are becoming much more common. There is more equality in education and in the workplace, helping people broaden their social circles. Second generation immigrants are feeling increasingly "british", while still keeping in touch with their heritage.

[Jeremy]

Tony, what's with the "other than work" clause? Lots of people meet friends (and even partners) through work!

[Ted Max]

Meeting ethnics down the pub, at work, the doctor's or some other commercial situation doesn't count.

You have to be giving them one. If they happen to be your cleaner - score double.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Tony, what's with the "other than work" clause? Lots of people meet friends (and even partners) through work!

Firstly I agree with almost every word you have just written.

Show Maxie some time if you see him.:)

That clause? Because its tooo easy as its much harder to SEEK friends from other Cultures/Races.

I'm still in contact with many Guys from my Lewisham/Southwark Council stints during the 90's because we choose to remain in touch. The "test" comes AFTER one party has left their mutual workplace Jeremy.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Ted Max Wrote:

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Meeting ethnics down the pub, at work, the doctor's or some other commercial situation doesn't count. You have to be giving them one. If they happen to be your cleaner - score double.

Ted just read Jeremys post @ 10.11 AM.

[Ted Max]

Did I? That's nice.

[Sherwick]

Ted Max Wrote:

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> Look, there's nothing wrong with spending your

> every weekend visiting distant postcodes of London

> with a clipboard and a selection of

> differently-coloured felt tip pens, noting the

> ethnic make-up of the area. That's totally normal,

> and definitely won't send you a little bit crazy.

>

>

> I saw a black student and a white student on the

> bus together today having a laugh, but I could

> tell that each was yearning for a closer cultural

> affinity. They weren't too impressed with me

> making some notes on the matter though. It was

> only when I asked them if they got their clothes

> off the market things got a bit nasty, though.

> They weren't to know I was only after information

> for my survey on the retail habits of indigenous

> and immigrant peoples.

>

> Never mind, such field research is vital, and I

> shall not be downhearted.

>:D<

[Sherwick]

Just wondering, as far as 'evolution' is concerned, isn't it 'better' to mix genes with different races?

I seem to recall reading about this.

As far as I am concerned, it won't be a surprise to Tony but I've barely ever had a partner in the past from my own race or culture - however this wasn't planned by me - it's just the way it turned out. My wife is also not from my race or culture and we get on great! :))

The vast majority of my extended family also do not have partners from their own race or culture.

However, whilst we are in the main of different races and religions and born in different continents, what we do share is a strong identity with liberal & democratic values (note: not necessarily Western ones).

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Sherwick Wrote:

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> Just wondering, as far as 'evolution' is concerned, isn't it 'better' to mix genes with different races?

> I seem to recall reading about this. As far as I am concerned, it won't be a surprise to Tony but I've barely ever had a partner in the past from my own race or culture - however this wasn't planned by me - it's just the way it turned

> out. My wife is also not from my race or culture and we get on great! :)) The vast majority of my extended family also do

> not have partners from their own race or culture. However, whilst we are in the main of different

> races and religions and born in different continents, what we do share is a strong identiy with liberal & democratic values (note: not necessarily Western ones).

Then you have turned the perfect "theory" into "practice" and thats great for your own Family.

However, lets not pretend its easy. There are more Mixed-Raced children in Foster Homes throughout The UK than Black children with White children coming a distant third. I've read several times b4 ( This time I do not recall where) that 75% of Mixed-Raced Partnerships fail, I'm afraid.

The Foster Homes/In Care Stats are quite a staggering when you consider the "proportion" of Mixed-Raced children in UK Society, as a whole.

[Jeremy]

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> I've read several

> times b4 ( This time I do not recall where) that

> 75% of Mixed-Raced Partnerships fail, I'm afraid.

Let's hope that myself, Sherwick, and also you manage to buck this trend, Tony!

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Jeremy Wrote:

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

I've read several times b4 ( This time I do not recall where) that 75% of Mixed-Raced Partnerships fail, I'm afraid.

Let's hope that myself, Sherwick, and also you manage to buck this trend, Tony!

This is "Take 3" over the last 6 years with the Lady who currently lives here and we are definitely understanding each other better now!

Just takes time, I mean when she threw the heavy Sky Remote Control and missed my eye by a Quarter of an inch in the old days I thought she was being a typically "stereotypical" aggressive Jamaican Woman, that I had read about, but I've come to realise it was either a sign of affection or maybe that she does not like to be interrupted while watching "Eastenders"...:))

[Sherwick]

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> Just takes time, I mean when she threw the heavy

> Sky Remote Control and missed my eye by a Quarter

> of an inch in the old days I thought she was being

> a typically "stereotypical" aggressive Jamaican

> Woman, that I had read about,

I think you'll find that she was just being a WOMAN! (prepares to get flamed!) ::o

[Huguenot]

"75% of mixed race relationships fail"

This is a crazy stat, both because it's misused in this context, and because it's used to cast another destructive and inaccurate slur on racial integration.

Let's be honest: 100% of all partnerships end in failure or death.

Since most of us go through more than 3 relationships before marriage, and 50% of all marriages end in divorce, the the 'failure' rate of all relationships must by definition be higher than 75%

QED mixed race partnerships (by your weird stat) are better than same race.

The thing about your comments Tony, is they're all about race race race, and they're all nasty nasty nasty, and when you can't use the truth you just make stuff up.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Huguenot Wrote:

Let's be honest: 100% of all partnerships end in failure or death.

Yoo're on that stuff again, aren't you Hugsy?(tu) All remaining Partnerships DO end in death! Well detected, Sherlock!

Huguenot: Since most of us go through more than 3 relationships before marriage, and 50% of all marriages end in divorce, the he 'failure' rate of all relationships must by definition be higher than 75%. QED mixed race partnerships (by your weird stat) ....are better than same race.

I take it Maths is not your forte then..lol...

For example supposing every single, SAY, Norwegian and Malaysian stayed together in The UK and NONE from that combination ever broke up, that would make a nonsense of what you have just written.

I know I'm going to regret asking this, and I won't get a straight answer, if one at all, but ( "if" I'm correct--thats your excuse for avoiding the question(!) ) but humour me, IF I AM correct how does this explain that there are more Mixed-Raced Children in care in The UK than any other Grouping as, and NOW I AM guessing, only around 15% of all children are from Mixed-Raced Partnerships in The UK ??

Please answer that Huguenot, just for once.

Huguenot: The thing about your comments Tony, is they're all about race race race, and they're all nasty nasty nasty, and when you can't use the truth you just make stuff up.

The comments on a thread involving "race" are, indeed, about "race". If the thread is about a Festival then my comments will be about Festivals, etc..you'll pick it up along the way, don't worry....

There are a myriad personal comments that I could make about you Huguenot but I will desist.

p.s. Show me which of the thousands of words that I have used on this Subject can be interpreted as "nasty x 3"??

Support your comment with some of my quotes. There's enough to choose from on this Subject.

[Jeremy]

Huguenot - point taken, not sure if the statistic is that useful, given that the majority of relationships don't last forever!

But mixed race relationships (or more specifically "inter-culture" relationships) do have more than their fair share of hurdles. Especially if one/both of you come from a background where tradition or religion is very important. So while the "75%" stat may not be the most accurate or helpful, there is a valid point behind it.

[Sherwick]

I'll point out at this stage, for no particular reason, that Tiger Woods' parents were mixed race, and Tiger Woods himself is in a mixed race relationship.

>:D<

Also, no one has answered whether it is indeed good for genes to have mixed raced parents?

[Huguenot]

Answer what TLS? Why your made-up figures are true? Grow up.

If you want to debate the success or not of mixed race relationships then you'll need to do it on stats you haven't made up intentionally to be bad.

The whole concept is spurious. Garry Bushell is 'mixed race', and so are we all. The whole concept of race is generated by bigots to sow social discontent as a prelude to the violent acquisition of power. It's nasty in its own right.

Tony, I find the reinventing of history and social statistics to support a divisive prejudice that imposes a value judgment on members of any racial group to be extremely nasty. I don't need to quote you.

Amongst your many revolting assertions: that WWII was fought by white British to protect white British blood, that London was a better place before immigrants arrived, that immigrants don't want to mix with the locals, that immigrants don't want to be British, that racial integration can't happen, that mixed race kids are rejects

Leaving all that aside, the very fact that you spend more time discussing the colour of people's skin, rather than their contribution to society reveals a disturbing focus in your life that you would be better off without.

[Jeremy]

Sherwick, I believe that genetic diversity is generally positive to a species, as it aids natural selection.

However... this only applies when it occurs over many, many generations. Also, I'm not sure how much the principle of "survival of the fittest" applies to the human race in the modern world.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Huguenot Wrote:

Answer what TLS? Why your made-up figures are true? Grow up.

..I don't need to quote you.

So you can't answer the question and you can't find any of my quotes...

Even by your gargantuan standards that is impressive Hugs.

Amongst your many revolting assertions: that WWII was fought by white British to protect white British blood,

tls:I asked how many who died would be happy with the way the UK has gone.

that London was a better place before immigrants arrived

tls: never said that at all...SHOW me where I said that and stop lying Huguenot, where did I say that?

.. that immigrants don't want to mix with the locals

tls:Many would rather have as little to do with the indigenous populationas possible, which is why I am, invariably, the only White friend many of my "immigrant" friends have got.

.. that immigrants don't want to be British

tls: "some" immigrants do not. I said its how they "view themselves" that is important.

.. that racial integration can't happen,

tls:Can't?? Can't?? It does successfully in many places...sigh..

that mixed race kids are rejects

tls: If thats the way YOU want to intrepret them as "rejects" well so be it but I'm sure anyone in The Industry will tell you that they are the largest Racial Grouping in Foster/Care Homes in The UK.

This may be unpalatable to your vision but its a fact, I'm afraid.

Other than that you are spot on!

Le Joker:))

p.s For the umpteenth time its NOT, REPEAT NOT, about "colour" but the loss of "Culture" that is bemoaned...

[SeanMacGabhann]

if it's about culture Tony, that has ALWAYS changed and always will - speaking endlessly about immigration won't change that

If I pluck a dandy from the 18th century and place him in London I doubt he would be very happy either with it's current state - but then I don't see you rushing to wear a tight-fitting tight and a ruff (or whatever they are called)

It proves nothing apart from the fact that you are banging a very small drum very loudly to no effect other than to annoy people