Louisa Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 The Harvester should be fully restored to The Grove Hotel, which was a famous coaching inn until the 1920's. I remember the Harvester promising to retain all original features and the name of this historic pub when they took over ownership in the late 70's, and yet this place has seen three dubious fires, some awful refurbs which have incorporated nothing of the original pub, and eventually name "Grove Tavern" being removed altogether from the signage. Just like the beautiful concrete house and st peters church, the history and cultural value of this part of LL has been left to rot and it is really offensive. The same is true of the Plough which again was an historic inn for farm laborers for nearly four centuries, and ended up in the hands of some stupid pub company!Bring back some decent traditional pubs.. please! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Wow, for once we're in total agreement Louisa...hurrah. Not that I saw the Grove Tavern in the 70s or anything, but it's a great building which seems to have had every trace of character removed. A traditional pub there would be a godsend. A lovely pint of ale prior to a walk in the woods! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I too wish there were pubs with original features still left in the area, but once a pub has been mucked about with and its original charm destroyed, there's no going back. Are 'Harvesters' still popular these days? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I guess so. It can't all be Livers in Brine and Braggadoccio a la Chiesa I guess. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Most of the older Harvester pubs have taken over historic or traditional pubs and transformed them, whereas most of the new ones are situated on out of town shopping malls or service areas where they are more suited I think. I last was forced to eat in a Harvester two years ago, and I found the menu had no direction, and the steak I had was awful. As you say Mockney, it would be great to have a pint and then wander for a walk into the woods. This is such an historic place and yet its being totally overlooked by the Harvester. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 We could petition to have the Harvester replaced with an Angus Steak house. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Corporate-run pubs - horrible horrible places. And Harvester likes to give the impressionn it's a nice, relatively cheap place to take a family for a meal. It's as expensive as Franklins for (as Louisa said) a bleedin horrible steakI might open up a little shebeen in the woods for us forumites.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 They're opening 17 new Harvester pubs in the next four months. Someone must be going to them or they couldn't afford it.They win best pub awards in places like Romford.Terrible, terrible Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I used to live in Ilford. Come to think of it I would have payed for a Harvester back then.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I've been saying this for ages and well done Louisa for bringing this up again. I remember the Grove Tavern when it was a proper pub. It had a very good restaurant too. It was Pub of the Year in 1972 if memory serves me well and I'm told that no less than Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor used to eat in there from time to time back in the 60s. Also, what a great walk - have a few pints in there and then walk through the fabulous woods and end up at the Dulwich Wood House for a few pints more. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 The Plough is my closest pub but I never used to go there because the atmosphere too violent (this coming from a guy who is known to have the odd Guinness in the Castle). I do hope it turns out ok after the refurb etc. It would be nice if they kept the name though, for historical purposes and all that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Absolutely Brendan. They shouldn't call it anything else with all that history. Also, if they can get the Guinness as good as Mary's in the Castle it may give them some competition. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Jah LushYour memory dose serve you well I use to take clients there,fantastic food and wine, and yes lizze and dick ate there when they had their house in the village.Bob S Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-19670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Moore Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 New to this forum - not sure if this dups something already covered but The Plough freehold is owned by Mitchells & Butler and indeed appears as one of their pubs on their website. So if the dog people are getting involved, maybe they are going in under some management agreement?The exterior painting has started and The Plough name is still there in new bold lettering.Clevor Trevor Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Good to see The Plough remains that, let's hope it can be revived as a great pub again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 As a footnote to the Grove Tavern in it's glory days, Take a look at this wonderful picture of the Grove back in a sleepy suburban ED almost a hundred years ago.http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/southwark/dulwich/lordship-lane-00632-640.jpg Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'll drink to that. It was one of the first pubs I ever drank in when I was a teenager back in the early 70s. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I recall when they kept a couple of tethered sheep in the garden to keep the grass down :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChavWivaLawDegree Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 The Plough is my local pub, and I thought it was just being tarted up a bit in advance of the smoking ban. Cheap beer, shit food, pool tables, cheap beer, what more could a girl want?? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'm with you on the cheap beer front! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawdy-nan Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Apparently the idea is to put the prices up and have food. From the plans it looks as though they're mainly focussing on the smoking ban - the outside is a big focus and they're planning to have year round heated outside covered smoking area. I assume that's what lots of places will be doing but its pretty bad, I think - energy wastage wise. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TillieTrotter Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 The Dog is owned by the same company Clever Trevor. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks for the picture of the Grove Tavern, Louisa. The Grove gets a bit of negative press here on the Forum. I've been there several times for meals and sometimes its just the right place. Went there once with a large family group, consisting of lots of kids, a very wide age range, people of different culinary tastes, some out-of-towners. Some of the group turned up after we'd ordered and some left before the end. The meal was made by the rather patient waitress who coped admirably with people ordering at different times, people changing orders and the general chaos. She was brilliant. Can't imagine too many other establishnments coping so well.From what I see the place is very popular. It's not my favourite place but it certainly has it's role in ED. Does every pub in ED have to be gentrified?citizen Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 The point is though is that it is no longer a pub but an 'horrible 'Harvester and a lot of us here would prefere if it was restored to pub. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Jah, I would love that too - my point is that if all the pubs in ED get gentrified it seems a pity for those people that actually like the Harvester. Part of the problem is the location - being on the outskirts of ED - means the folks up that end of the zone get a raw deal. Don't fret we will soon have the refurbed Plough.citizen Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/635-the-plough-pub/page/4/#findComment-23740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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