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SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> Fair point quids, but that was on the back of

> several other posts on the other thread and then

> AfN starting this fresh one

>

> Neatly sidestepping my wider point tho, I'll give

> you that ;-)


Why argue when you have polemic? ;-)


Not seen many sound arguments against my polemic either in all honesty - just "We're all at it" ...not true or this slightly "I'm far too cool for disgust"


Can't disagree with your "Needs reform, move on" point (and I do think they should be paid more believe it or not) but I like the mischeouvness of seeing the slimebags slither and struggle and trying insincerely to show a bit of contrition. sadly, I think that the idiots in the BNP will be one of the winners of this

mockney piers Wrote:

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> I see whatbuoure saying bob but if these people

> had made these relocation claims in a private

> company heydbhave been sacked for grows

> misconduct.


There are a handful of sacking offences, I agree, but in the majority of cases its just grubbing away for all they can get within the parameters of some particularly lax guidelines.

Watching slimpebags slither can be good fun, but the BNP can only benefit if people lose perspective and just give in to anger for it's own sake


If you don't think most people are "at it" in some form or other then who am I to say you don't know what you are thinking - but the evidence of everyday conversation and listening to people suggests otherwise. Just taking the parking fine/speeding regulars - instead of paying up for behavingillegaly they think it is their right to not pay.


As for "too cool for disgust" - well feeling disgust is one thing, giving continual vent to it and anger are another. It's not about being cool - it's about keeping a clear head

Again fair point bob. I've no issue with expenses, I lived in Amsterdam for a year in a second home paid for by company with meals claimable. I didn't grub every penny and I reckon the whole experience cost me in order of three grand (I never got round to claiming my daily allowance for instance).


As I said earlier I think the majority have simply used the system. Some like Kate Hoey and Ed Milliband can even hold their heads up high. Some should be voted out. I hope their constituents do the right thing and vote them out, or better still the parties not put them up for reelection.


Media creation or no the anger is real and they'd be wise to take note.

Quids - Chancellor

SM - Home Sec

Mockney - Foreign Sec

*Bob* - Arts Culture and Sport

That only leaves PM. One hates to put oneself forward but it seems that's the only decent post left.

In order to do the job properly I'll need a Malcom Tucker style enforcer to keep my cabinet enemies in line.

The qualifications are the ablilty to carry grudges longer than high court judges, a willingness to swear like a half a dozen particularly foul-mouthed troopers and a callous disregard for others' personal space.

TLS, could you be persuaded?

You'll have more power and influence that any MP (including MP) and the great unwashed can't vote you out.

Sean Er, your parking point is a complete red herring and a diversion. I'm not against parking restrictions per se. To disagree with illegal application (twice happened to me and been dropped) and the need for it in SE22 (apart from on LL itself) is not the same as fiddling expenses.......

Sorry quids - i wasn't clear. I'm not talking about you, or peolpe who have been victims of the over-zealous parking attendants or anyone who has been wrongfully prosecuted. It was more the sometimes accepted-wisdom of "i can speed a BIT if I want to and it's only the council making revenue that is stopping me going about my business"


ie - disconnect between one's actions and how they are perceived. Ok it's not an exact fit but there is something there

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Sport? Are you having a laugh?

>

> Mind you, when did holding a cabinet post ever

> require any particular you to have interest or

> enthusiasm therein.


I have every confidence you'll be an excellent ambassador for art and culture. I'm with you on sport though, complete bloody mystery to me.

Sport in this context usually means football doesn't it?

There are a few phrases to throw around, 'schoolboy error', 'silky skills', 'game of two halves' and whenever you mention Wembley you must insert the phrase 'hallowed turf' at least once.

If you lard each sentence with a few 'basicallys' and 'at the end of the days' you should be sound.

Don't worry about the Olympics, that'll all be passed to Quids.

I can tell you're going to make a fine minister.

To be a decent Sports Minister its absolutely essential to set ones stall out, as frequently as humanly possible.


They may be fine, upstanding, competent Guys but I would rid any Cabinet of any West Ham Fans (MP/Quidsy et al) as I still carry a grudge for them wrecking Harry Crippsy's Testimonial Night 25/30 years ago by beating The Lions and causing general mayhem all around New Cross that evening....:X

Excellent choices HB. Are you a spare me the details PM or a spare me your opinion (no comparisons to recent incumbents...honest).


Either way my first act will be to withdraw our troops from their brushfire wars, equip them properly then invade France. Baguettes in Paris by Christmas everyone.

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> They may be fine, upstanding, competent Guys but I

> would rid any Cabinet of any West Ham Fans

> (MP/Quidsy et al) as I still carry a grudge for

> them wrecking Harry Crippsy's Testimonial Night

> 25/30 years ago by beating The Lions and causing

> general mayhem all around New Cross that

> evening....:X


Well that's the grudge carrying box ticked. I can see you're going to make a fine enforcer TLS.

I feel safer already.

HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > They may be fine, upstanding, competent Guys but

> I

> > would rid any Cabinet of any West Ham Fans

> > (MP/Quidsy et al) as I still carry a grudge for

> > them wrecking Harry Crippsy's Testimonial Night

> > 25/30 years ago by beating The Lions and

> causing

> > general mayhem all around New Cross that

> > evening....:X

>

> Well that's the grudge carrying box ticked. I can

> see you're going to make a fine enforcer TLS.

> I feel safer already.


Actually it was 1971 so 38 years should qualify for a decent grudge..:))


In researching which year I see there is an excerpt from the famous 1977 Panorama Documentary on Millwall, on You Tube, entitled "Millwall, F-Troop"...and I see one of my Local MP's is in the clip as a young 19-year-old in the Pub Scene!


Fascinating as I know some of the "clientele" in that Pub scene...its on for 2/3 minutes and perfectly encapsulates the intimidating atmosphere of Millwall in The 1970's...(6)

mockney piers Wrote:

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> Excellent choices HB. Are you a spare me the

> details PM or a spare me your opinion (no

> comparisons to recent incumbents...honest).

>

> Either way my first act will be to withdraw our

> troops from their brushfire wars, equip them

> properly then invade France. Baguettes in Paris by

> Christmas everyone.


In answer to your question let's just say I'm a pretty straight kind of guy and leave it at that.

Your French plan is an interesting one, but let's start with the Isle Of Man, shall we?

About time we recaptured their hearts and minds, I always think they reckon they're better than us, and that's one thing I won't stand for, cheeky Mancs.

HonaloochieB Wrote:

they reckon they're better than us, and that's one thing I won't stand for, cheeky Mancs.


My M8: Douglas was originally from Salford and settled in The Isle Of Man, does that make him a "mancs", "ex-mancs" "manx" current "mancs" or ........?


p.s. His g/f is a bit of a minx but I don't suppose a Minx who is, also, an Ex-Mancs Minx and now a Manx Minx counts does it?


Confused,Bexley...

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> HonaloochieB Wrote:

> they reckon they're better than us, and that's one

> thing I won't stand for, cheeky Mancs.

>

> My M8: Douglas was originally from Salford and

> settled in The Isle Of Man, does that make him a

> "mancs", "ex-mancs" "manx" current "mancs" or

> ........?


Now pack it in TLS, Douglas is in the Isle Of Man, as any fule no. In fact so big is Douglas he's the capital of the island.

He's a he's a Manx Manc, and too big for his boots by half if you ask me.

Let's see how much putting on dog he does when he gets invaded.

I know you're my enforcer and everything TLS, but this has strayed perilously close to insubordination.


Edited twice because it looks like I don't go in for details as MP suggested.

snorky Wrote:

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> I am already in idealogical opposition to this

> proposed dictatorship


I'm looking for a deputy PM, Snorky. You could keep the more traditional lefties in line.

I think Prescott's left that grace and favour flat he had.

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