Proposal to build house in garden of 51 Crystal Palace Rd

[KidKruger]

I think also a member of public can request that a tree in someone else's garden have a TPO applied to it.

I've seen this done (it pisses-off owners / developers).

[mancity68]

And the trees in case I'm referring to are on neighbours land ie not the persons applying for a basement to be built. So the cutting them down and getting rid of problem risk doesn't apply. (The backland development plot near me is absolutely tiny hence why trees in neighbours gardens likely to be affected)

[Otta]

I wish councils could be helpful if you want rid if a dangerous tree that's on a neighbours property. In our old rented house we had a tree leaning dangerously towards the house from the garden at the back. I am certain it's a matter time until it falls, but the owner of that house (a landlord, not living there) wouldn't respond to anything, and the council are powerless.

I'm not anti tree by any stretch, but this bad boy was a massive Eucalyptus (I think) was at an angle, and also covered our garden with leaves all year around, and blocked light.

That all said, given how our previous landlords treated us, I now hope it falls and smashes through the back of their house (when no Tennant is home).

Sorry, totally off topic.

[intexasatthe moment]

" what's to stop the owner just removing the trees before applying for planning? " - nothing ,they often do .

" a member of public can request that a tree in someone else's garden have a TPO applied to it. " - again ,this is not at all uncommon .

But I'd like to add that TPO's can be lifted so that developments can be built . But in those cases ,as MarkT has pointed out ,there are planning requirements that replacement trees are planted to mitigate the loss of the protected tree .

[intexasatthe moment]

mancity - you need to comment on the planning application and make the point about development being carried out close to trees ,ask for a tree assesment to be carried out by the developer . I'd copy your concerns to Southwark's urban forester

[email protected].

And Robin Crookshank Hilton who posts on here as rch is very helpful regarding all tree related matters .Plus she's an ex councillor and knows how Southwark works .

If planning is granted it should have conditions attached detailing how the root zones will be protected .

[clockworkorange]

Mark t - read my post again.

I'm providing options for the op here.

Not going to engage in debate with you about legitimacy or otherwise of the spd or how to apply the nppf and the development plan.

Jeremy - you're right.

[mancity68]

Thanks i texans - that's helpful

[Applespider]

The freeholder who originally owned the freehold on the house that I live in and next door, enclosed the back of the garden and only left the basement flats with gardens. As there was access to the rear of the gardens from elsewhere, I suspect that he hoped (hopes) to build on them at some point - there are some very old sheds stuck at the back. As there's been nothing on the land for years, the trees that are there are mature and there are stag beetles and the like.

Last summer, we saw people with chain saws in the back of the garden starting to chop trees down and got in touch with the council. They were brilliant. They arranged for emergency TPOs to be in place within days while instructing the men to stop work. The TPOs were then converted into full ones within a month or so. There hadn't been any planning applications in when the TPOs went on. This was in College Ward - but sure any of the local councillors would be able to help potentially.

[intexasatthe moment]

Clockwork orange - trying to keep up here ,what is Jeremy right about ?

Sorry ,not trying to imply he's wrong about anything just can't identify the point you're making .

[ed_pete]

Southwark's Arboricultural Officer is Adolfo Gonzalez [email protected]

Oliver Stutter has moved on.

[LondonMix]

If a tree is dangerous (i.e. looks like it could fall) the council can force someone to cut it down-- that happened to our neighbor. Your best bet is to alert them to the situation and make mention that your insurance company has indicated that they will sue them for damages and their failure to take preventative action may invalidate their own insurance coverage so they will be fully liable for the costs. That often gets people a bit more motivated than the simple moral duty to take care of this sort of thing.

Getting the council to cut down a dangerous tree on their own land though is very difficult. I know someone who has been fighting with the council for years to remove a street tree that's causing their bay to subside and their garden wall to collapse.

Otta Wrote:

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> I wish councils could be helpful if you want rid

> if a dangerous tree that's on a neighbours

> property. In our old rented house we had a tree

> leaning dangerously towards the house from the

> garden at the back. I am certain it's a matter

> time until it falls, but the owner of that house

> (a landlord, not living there) wouldn't respond to

> anything, and the council are powerless.

>

> I'm not anti tree by any stretch, but this bad boy

> was a massive Eucalyptus (I think) was at an

> angle, and also covered our garden with leaves all

> year around, and blocked light.

>

> That all said, given how our previous landlords

> treated us, I now hope it falls and smashes

> through the back of their house (when no Tennant

> is home).

>

> Sorry, totally off topic.

[Renata Hamvas]

Dear all, the Peckham Rye Ward Councillors have agreed to call this one in to Committee.

Renata

[intexasatthe moment]

Thanks Ed ! Maybe that explains his lack of response ...guess he was winding down .

[barrister1]

This proposal Sets a dangerous precedent for East Dulwich. People building houses in their back gardens?! Can I urge people to go to planbuild.southwark.gov.uk - search for 15/AP/1654 - and post an objection in the 'Make a public comment' section? So far there are 9. I suspect 4 of them were 'planted'.

You have to register but it only takes a minute. MarkT's post above is really useful.

The plans really affect the properties whose (smaller) gardens back on to the proposed development site. But, if the application is granted, it may have a knock-on effect for the whole area.

[YellowRose]

Reading this thread upset me so much I?ve registered just so I can let you know that this planning application hasn?t been made by a property developer hoping to make a quick buck ? far from being ?greedy pricks? they are two lovely sisters who have lived in East Dulwich for over 30 years. I?ve known them all that time. They?re exceptionally kind and hard-working.

The garden is lovely because they made it that way ? when they moved in it was mainly a concrete road with some kind of motor servicing pit at the end. They love the house and garden ? and the area - but now they are retired it?s more than they can manage. It?s not my business to discuss their circumstances but I know this is their hoped-for solution to downsizing but being able to stay in the area which is home.

They?ve made a great effort to come up with a low-impact option - the proposed new home is only one-storey with a sedum roof to make it as invisible and as ecological as they can make it.

I understand that it can be a worry when your neighbours want to build, mine are about to build a 10? extension to my boundary. But I?d ask you to think whether it will actually cause you inconvenience- in which case fair enough, go through the planning portal to explain - but please be considerate about what you write here, it is causing huge distress to people who don?t deserve it.

Wrt to comments being ?planted? - these are true good neighbours, any time I?ve needed help I have been able to rely on them, so if they?d asked me to write a message of support on the planning portal I?d be happy to - but they didn?t . They?re just not the sort of people who ever would have, they?re extremely honest and considerate. If anyone wants to check my authenticity please pm me and I?ll send you my phone number, I?ll be happy to speak to you.

[lisaloulou84]

Yellow rose - these lovely sounding neighbours are mine too given the address.

I'd be against this kind of thing normally, I can understand what people are saying about setting a precident and changing the character of the area but in this case I'd much rather continue to have neighbours like this than have them have to move out of the area for a landlord to buy up, turn into flats with sky high rents! If this goes through I just hope the person who buys the house is as good a neighbour as they've been to you. I don't know a lot about this kind of thing but if I can show my support then I would happily, feel free to DM me. This particular build does sound very sympathetic and low impact and much like it won't be too different from the summer houses already in the area.

[YellowRose]

Aw thank you for your nice message Lisaloulou84, I will message you.

I do sympathise with worries about setting a precedent but I don't think many of the houses have such wide spaces at the side as #51 (and I think the land is or was deeded separately anyway so maybe not quite the same as building on a back garden? not sure about that), either way I totally agree with you about having good neighbours stick around!

[pipsky2008]

Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> Dear all, the Peckham Rye Ward Councillors have

> agreed to call this one in to Committee.

> Renata

Is it normal practice Cllr Dr. Hamvas, for out of ward councillors to take up out of ward matters, or is it that one of the three of you has specialism in planning law and protocol and can intervene on an as and where basis within the borough?

[edhistory]

pipsky2008 Wrote:

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> Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> > Dear all, the Peckham Rye Ward Councillors have

> > agreed to call this one in to Committee.

> > Renata

>

> Is it normal practice Cllr Dr. Hamvas, for out of

> ward councillors to take up out of ward matters,

> or is it that one of the three of you has

> specialism in planning law and protocol and can

> intervene on an as and where basis within the

> borough?

I thought the low odd house numbers in Crystal Palace Road as far South as Upland Road were in Peckham Rye Ward.

John K

[pipsky2008]

edhistory Wrote:

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> pipsky2008 Wrote:

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> > Renata Hamvas Wrote:

> >

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>

> > -----

> > > Dear all, the Peckham Rye Ward Councillors

> have

> > > agreed to call this one in to Committee.

> > > Renata

> >

> > Is it normal practice Cllr Dr. Hamvas, for out

> of

> > ward councillors to take up out of ward

> matters,

> > or is it that one of the three of you has

> > specialism in planning law and protocol and can

> > intervene on an as and where basis within the

> > borough?

>

> I thought the low odd house numbers in Crystal

> Palace Road as far South as Upland Road were in

> Peckham Rye Ward.

>

> John K

You may well be right John K

http://www.bellenden.net/sites/default/files/Nunhead%2C%20Peckham%20Rye%2C%20The%20Lane%20wards.pdf

though I would still like to know if a councillor with a specialism can be called upon to assist out of ward

[pipsky2008]

Omega Wrote:

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> Have received notification from Southwark planning

> on this proposal to build a new single storey

> house in the back garden of this house on CP Road

> ref. 15/AP/1654 (I'm afraid I don't know how to

> post a link to the site)

>

> Am flagging this up as I can't see a list of

> consultees on the website so unsure how widely the

> council are consulting on this but it may be of

> interest to others apart from direct neighbours as

> I understand it may set a precedent for the area.

>

> Amongst other issues my main concerns include the

> environmental impact - the back gardens in that

> area are very peaceful and support a fair amount

> of local wildlife, the proposed new house appears

> to have quite a large footprint and would

> inevitably impact negatively on this and would, in

> particular, include destruction of some beautiful

> trees.

>

> Also, the back gardens on that stretch of road are

> all of similar size/length and presumably if

> permission is given for this house then this could

> mean that other similar developments could go

> ahead too which would potentially have a huge

> impact and completely change the character of this

> area.

>

> I'm aware there was a similar proposal to build a

> house in the back garden on Hindmans Road last

> year, although the actual detail may have

> differed, but as I understand it it was withdrawn

> so never got to go through to a planning decision

> so I'm unsure of what the chances of this being

> granted are but would be interested to hear any

> thoughts on this.

Just to be clear about ward boundaries, are Cllrs Dr.Hamvas, Mills and Edwards your ward councillors?

[Omega]

In reply to Pipsky2008, Yes they are, this is within Peckham Rye Ward

[pipsky2008]

Omega Wrote:

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> In reply to Pipsky2008, Yes they are, this is

> within Peckham Rye Ward

Thanks for the clarification

[intexasatthe moment]

While I have sympathy for the personal reasons driving this application the current Southwark planning policy seems not to be in favour of building houses in gardens .

BAM ! who seem to have prepared the Design and Access statement are being disingenous when they talk about precedents for residences being built in nearby back gardens . Having looked at the map they provide I've been unable to find a solitary example .

Acre Drive which is cited ( as it was for the Hindmans Rd house in a garden ) is built on the site of an old social club whose buildings extended to the rear of the plot . This was not a house with a garden being built on .

And why are BAM! talking about outbuildings ? A house isn't an outbuilding and there are no permitted dev.rights which extend to building houses in gardens .

[civilservant]

I have a lot of sympathy for the OP. That stretch of Crystal Palace Road has so far escaped the attention of garden-grabbing developers. However sterling the qualities of the originators of the planning application, if approved this development will set a damaging precedent across all the local area.

Pipsky, Renata Hamvas has every right to be involved - she is after all the councillor for the area.

MarkT, you say "The end of the garden of no 51 borders onto a conservation area in which all trees are under blanket protection, regardless of the wishes of individual land owners." I wasn't aware of that and glad to hear it - do you have any more info?