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I agree it's revolting but I am deeply depressed by the sheer number of petitions these days. I've signed many in the past but every day I get emails about petitions on pretty much every subject under the sun. So many that they now seem worthless.


Letter writing campaigns would probably be a better way to go?

It is disgusting but cannot deny that back in the 70/80's I never participated myself.


The Last bus from Lewisham to Peckham there were lots of people eating and I believe smoking

was still allowed (Tube 9th July 1984 smoking banned) not sure about the buses.


DulwichFox

Nigello - I never suggested chucking litter on the floor was even remotely acceptable! But as others have said, if you have two appointments/engagements with little time in between then eating a sandwich on a train is a good solution. Some people are busier than others.


Anyone who gets all flustered about other passengers eating cold food on the train has issues IMO.

I disagree.


Banning all food and drink - except water or baby milk - would really reduce litter for a start. Cold food can be smelly and offensive as well as hot food.

Public transport is a shared, public space; the best way to act in such a space is to adopt neutral behaviour, so no smoking, drinking of alcohol, playing music out loud etc. Such behaviour is civil, respectful and desirable. (I practise what I preach.)

No excuse for eating in a confined space, full stop. It's about time signs warning people of harsh on the spot penalty notices were put in place on public transport. Maybe the cameras used could aid community support staff or PCSO's doing random purges on buses or trains. Not only is it antisocial it's risky for people with allergies (things containing peanuts etc). The smell of disgusting fast food being shoved in someone's face is out of line and if I used public transport I would happily pop people out for doing so.


Louisa.

edcam Wrote:

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> Shall we start the "doing your make-up on public

> transport, acceptable/unacceptable" debate again?

> That one was fun.



I can't even remember that one, sounds great.


So what is the most anti social / just plain minging thing you've encountered on public transport?


Mine is a bloke shaving and letting the cuttings just fall to the floor.

I think there must be a middle ground here somewhere. No compromise with buses, but certainly with trains I can appreciate having a dedicated buffet carriage where you can happily eat and drink without annoying others. Flying is a seperate issue because it's often long and everyone will be hungry at some stage.


Louisa.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> But trains have buffet cars and sell Tea Coffee

> and hot and cold snacks to eat on board..

>

> Food is served on Aircraft Hot and cold meals..

> Should we ban those..??

>

> Cannot see a total ban ever being implemented.

>

> DulwichFox


It is already banned in most countries, so not sure why it would be impossible in UK? it self polices itself in the same way people no longer tolerate smoking in public indoors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_activities_on_public_transport

I once sat on a tube seat without realising that someone has wet themselves on it. I can still smell it, years later.


Otta Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Shall we start the "doing your make-up on

> public

> > transport, acceptable/unacceptable" debate

> again?

> > That one was fun.

>

>

> I can't even remember that one, sounds great.

>

> So what is the most anti social / just plain

> minging thing you've encountered on public

> transport?

>

> Mine is a bloke shaving and letting the cuttings

> just fall to the floor.

Trains from London to Glasgow min. journey time 5 hours.


Bristol to Glasgow min. 7 hours.


I do not think it is reasonable to expect people to go without food for that length of time.


Anybody, not just children, the elderly, diabetics. Everyone need to eat and drink.


DulwichFox

Nigello Wrote:

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> I disagree.

>

> Banning all food and drink - except water or baby

> milk - would really reduce litter for a start.


So basically because some people can't be bothered to take their rubbish home, everyone should be banned from doing anything that might involve the creation of some rubbish? Bit of an overreaction, and as others said, the biggest form of litter on public transport is papers not food related rubbish.


As for some cold food being smelly, trust me, I've yet to encounter any cold food that smells worse than a sweaty labourer - but what are you going to do - ban people with heavy manual jobs from using public transport too?


Never got why people get upset about women doing their make up on public transport either - am more intrigued as to how they manage to do it without poking their eye out with a mascara wand, which is what I would do for sure.


I will confess I find people who insist on playing music out loud or so loud you can hear it through their earphones annoying, but if I put my ipod on and stick my nose in a book I can usually tune it out and not let it bother me.


If I couldn't hack travelling with lots of other people, I wouldn't live in London...

Britain is still the only European country in which people routinely eat like this on crowded public transport. Try it in France ? even a breakfast croissant ? and you will be regarded with open derision and hostility and considered badly brought up. But then in France they take eating much more seriously and people commonly believe doing it while on the move to be detrimental to health. Only animals eat standing up, they say ? and they?re astonished by what they see on the Tube here.


On the bus in Peckham, the done thing is to spit the bones of your fried chicken onto the floor

Greengod Wrote:

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> But then in France they take eating much more seriously and people commonly

> believe doing it while on the move to be detrimental to health.


Surely such an absurd belief nullifies any argument based on what the French do.

Eating on Trains in Japan..


ekiben-shot.jpg?w=580&h=425


Many bullet trains even have a trolley or food-cart service not unlike those on long-haul flights, offering travellers a choice of drinks and snacks as well as alcoholic beverages and souvenirs. As well as this, many larger bullet train stations sell special ekiben packed lunches distinct to that geographical area that customers are able to enjoy during their train ride using the built-in tray tables, making it perfectly acceptable to consume food on-board a bullet train.


Even so, it is considered polite to utter a quick ?shitsureishimasu? (lit. ?I?m being rude?) to the person sitting next to you before tucking in?


Foxy

Greengod Wrote:

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> Britain is still the only European country in

> which people routinely eat like this on crowded

> public transport.


Bullshit. Lived in Paris, people ate on public transport. Over the past year, have travelled to Sweden a lot - the Copenhagen to Malmo train, people eating on public transport. Spain and Italy, people eating on buses (I haven't taken the train much there).


One person's made up assertion does not a fact make.


And for the love of god, this thread - what kind of uptight nimby, judgmental area am I living in?

I think people are missing the point. Some people are considerate and discreet, some are not. When you are sharing a confined space it should be preferable to at least acknowledge those around you before cracking up a bag of hot chicken wings you've bought from Sainbury's. In summer especially I can only imagine the smell that would be lingering around a packed bus. Clearly common courtesy isn't the order of the day anymore, so enforcement by fines is the only way ahead.


Louisa.

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