louisiana Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Video on the Grauniad website.He has his hands in his pockets and is walking away from them; gets thwacked from behind; hits the ground badly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think he gets pushed but is still an assault and outrageous Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisiana Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Watch also for the slow-mo'd bit near the end, where it's a bit clearer what actually happened. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Is the case to answer manslaughter or murder? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 It's difficult to say as I am not sure if his head hit the ground. Looking at the video the guy seemed a little uneasy on his feet even before the confrontation so the assualt, which it definately was from the cowardly cop, may have been coincidental or at least that will be the case for the defence.Anyone know what it said in the coroners report? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle-ish Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Murder is the charge if it was with intent but it can come back as a verdict of manslaughter - you can't charge manslaughter - well not actually true but the manslaughter would be gross negligence or unlawful act manslaughter - if the assualt, which is an unlawful act could be proved to have caused the death.Edited cos I forgot my homicides! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffers Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 LegalEagle-ish Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Murder is the charge but it can come back as a> verdict of manslaughter - you can't charge> manslaughter.You better tell this guy he can't get charged with manslaughter then http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2009/03/30/man-charged-with-manslaughter-after-west-heath-pub-death-97319-23265554/Re the video he was getting told in no uncertain terms to get out of the way repeatedly, he got a smack on the leg, then got a shove and fell over. Not sure how it can be shown this caused his death however unacceptable it may be. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle-ish Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Don't know why the guy in your link would be charged with manslaughter but maybe it would be hard to prove intent, but the policeman could be charged with gross negligence / unlawful act manslaughter.But the manslaughter that most people think of is what you get when you have a defence to a murder charge and the murder charge gets dropped to voluntary manslaughter. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwick Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 involuntary manslaughter. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle-ish Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Haha Yeh - made a balls up of that! Haven't had to remember that for a good few years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulwichmum Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 This is genuinely shocking. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisiana Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 I don't know. We in the UK have a tradition of people dying at police hands at demonstrations etc.. (Old enough to remember Blair Peach? Or Kevin Gately? There have been others...)What I can't stomach is the shit the police come out with afterwards. Can you see any officers helping the guy there? It's as if they have permission to treat people as non-human-beings.These guys do not need more powers. Whatever they say.Bizarrely, when the BBC was offered this footage by the Guardian yesterday, they turned it down saying it was London-centric, according to the Guardian's Stephen Moss. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domme_Jay Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 It is all so sad, I wanted to go out over to the city but the thought of ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time detered me, I feel quite sad about that.J Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Doesn?t anyone else think that this was all a muscle flexing exercise by the cops? They wanted to send a strong message that social dissidence will not be tolerated. That?s why they effectively arrested thousands of people all in one go without proper cause and bugger the consequences. They did the same thing yesterday on Parliament Square. And why has the BBC been so quiet on the cops behaviour recently? Surely part of their duty to us the public is to inform us of potential threats to our current freedoms? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazeykat Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The saddest thing about this, I think, is that it doesn't even surprise me. That man wasn't rioting, or resisting. He wasn't even protesting! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 BBC quiet on cops behaviour? Have you checked the main story on the BBC news site today?I don't really buy this stuff about police sending out a message and crushing dissent... I think it's more a case of a few individuals being too heavy handed and "up for it", and of course these individuals need to be bought to justice.There are a few bad seeds in the police - but overall I think they did a good job of making sure that the majority of the public could go about their business without too much disturbance, and minimising damage.(cue Snorky...) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I think after the Stop the War demonstrations* the powers that be realised that despite their better efforts the people of this country may actually find some kind of voice. The order must have come down from on high pretty quickly to discredit and disallow any possible chance of it happening in the future. *Remember those when hundreds of thousands of ordinary people descended on London, completely peacefully, to object to their tax money being used to send men with guns and bombs overseas to kill thousands of innocent people? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Not that I?m suspicious or anything. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisiana Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> BBC quiet on cops behaviour? Have you checked the> main story on the BBC news site today?Yesterday. They turned down the footage yesterday when it was offered.They changed their tune this morning. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Of the incident itself, it looks like a nasty piece of cowardly retribution. The officer is frustrated that the guy isn't getting out the way and takes action. It's telling that none of the other officers remonstrate with the perpetrator. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-189793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadwolf Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sort of ironic really how it takes an American fund manager to film and subsequently expose police brutality at an anti-capitalist demonstration. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-190015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The American failed to see the irony of course... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-190021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Would it have been ironic if he *did* see the irony, but nobody else did? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-190025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 What, like when it rains on your wedding day?.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-190034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Or if it's a free ride, but you've......oh never mind. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5896-new-video-footage-shows-police-assaulting-tomlinson-from-behind/#findComment-190038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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