What Time Does It All Kick-Off Tomorrow Guys?

[????]

I know some people think class is irrelevaant but they all look pretty middleclass and white to me....I bet some of them are even there because they were all lined up for a cushy city job that's now gone down the pan..."Let's smash RBS' windows.. Sir Fred's f*cked up my career plans for sure yah"

[charliecharlie]

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Brendan...

If you read the reports apparently where this and some other incidents occurred was in areas where the cops had confined the protesters to cordons and were stopping them from marching.

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That is exactly what happened, everyone was being very well behaved, and suddenly we were penned in (I think it may have been at the same time that the Royal Bank of Scotland got broken into, suspect the police may have thought the Bank of England group would get wind of it and move the join the other group), it was only when we got penned in that people started getting fractious... it feels horrid to be trapped, people feel claustrophobic... that's when it all started 'kicking off' to quote the thread... IMO not well managed by the police...

very glad I got out when I did...

[AllforNun]

Noam Chomsky! ...right that fuckin liberal !

[????]

AFN - 5000 ish protestors, 25 arrests and some middleclass 'anarchists' shouting about the system,,,,and you think thje BBC buried a story ? Grow up....bit of crappy gesture from some students...."the revolution will not be televised" indeed, because no-one gave a shite...a damp squib

[AllforNun]

yer right you coin boy, 200 police surrounded by about 3000 + people, their fucking lucky they got out of there. smashed the fuck out of the main bank for the RBS right next to the heavily fortified bank of england....then there's tomorrow my little state spunging friend.....oh and i have just been told that the 'independent' BBC's final words on the tonight's ten 10pm news on the subject "and the police kept control of the united kingdoms financial centre" was handed to them from outside of the BEEB ! so you grow up take the pound coins from your eyes and watch closely !

[????]

Plastic anarchy my friend plastic anarchy, were you at the Poll Tax riots? Buildings on fire, cars upturned, shop windows gone everywhere....100s of arrests,,, areal whiff of anarchy that afternoon and evening.

Today? Mickey mouse revolution from a mickey mouse generation - made soft by consumerism. A non-event not a cover up....

[snorky]

The UK has no history in revolution in its recent past - yes, I know you can refer to various uprisings several hundred years ago, but when it comes down to it, we are soppy moaners - Thatcher was right when she referred to moaning minnies

a stiff upper lip & resignation to our collective fate

We still believe & support in the same system,the system that that gives the same output from the same universities and the same wasted jism from the infected testicles of the legal system a nice little mutual back slapping niche career

We cant even discussing getting rid of the Queen & her lot without handwringing & looking for an way out ( " its good for tourism" blah blah blah )

When I was engrossed in Postgrad political semantics, a Prof once asked why we were thre only country in Europe that didnt experience any kind of popular revolt- for good or for worse - in the past couple of hundred years. Quite an interesting / depressing topic when you look into it

State Smashing and agitprop aside, we are a sorry excuse of a nation.

bah

[AllforNun]

yep much fun had as well, but not as good as the rattle in seattle, and greece was a ball ! well anyway lets wait and see....this is pluto signing out !

[snorky]

I "know" people in the security services - a bit of pocket anarchism is accepted in the recruitment process interview , along with admission of past drug use and backpacking in your year off.

A chance to boast of your activism, show your mates your ( expensive, vain & uselss )mobile phone pics, along with you getting down with indigenous locals in Cambodia, whilst you wait with bated breath for the results of your final PWC interview

bah2

[AllforNun]

ah yes but that is the thing it no longer matters what we think or do as a nation, anarchism is global now my friend and its only going to e 'imported' on a bigger and bigger scale, it's al-Qaeda theory you see, to curb the anarco's arrival you must curb your liberties and therein lies your democratic achilles heel, this is greek anarchy, polish anarchy, hungarian, spanish, italian and a few MI5 run UK anarchists !

[????]

er....shouldn't you still be up there living the anarchy dream or did you feel the need to come rushing back and share your day of anarchy (*tries not to laugh) with the EDF?

[ontheedge]

"oh my god anarchy lives" in your dreams most definetly not in england not a hope of it. Naom Chomsky may not be the greatest of liberals but he is definetly one of the greatest intellects around and I guess he would probably be having a little chuckle into his hot chocolate tonight at the ascertations of the belief that something was acheived today other than pure vandalism. I thought about going along today but could not be part of something that gets hijacked by thugs, there must be a better way.

[DaveR]

"It was easy to rubbish because it was rubbish, it didn't argue for anything, just attempted to poke holes in straw men."

If you accept that the anti-capitalist argument is a straw man then his pint is made

"For instance there is no such thing as a free market. there are import duties, and vat and health & safety and unions and laws, and unfair trading practices between rich countries and poor countries. It's a fallacy. So was finkelstein essentially advocating a free market as oppose to the regulated one we have today?"

Did you read the last paragraph?

"Nobody serious believes that this capitalism should be unregulated. Nobody serious believes in complete laissez faire. But nobody serious can really believe any more that there is some brilliant alternative we haven't thought of. Can they?"

Because the last time anything remotely like a 'laissez fair free' market it resulted in riots in manchester and London (proper ones) and famines in Ireland and India.

Plus what the hell has banking regulation got to do with allocation of resources?

The article addresses the failure of anti-capitalists, and socialists of the past, to find a fair and viable alternative to an economy based essentially on market principles. Or to put it another way, that what you describe as "a legitimate philosophical and moral position" does not lead to any practical suggestions as to how a co-operative, as opposed to competitive, economy might actually work.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

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> Well what a damp squid...now the Poll Tax riot

> that was a proper job, yoof of today can't even

> riot properly, eh Tony?

Whaddya expect? Most of these Jokers seem to have been brought up on the mean streets of Dorchester, Winchester, Guildford and Chipping Sodbury. They "Havant" a clue:)....

Protestors used to be from Waterloo, where its at, rather than bleedin' Waterlooville...

Now The London Riots of The 1980's deh wuz der reel thing.....

p.s. Send them home and get them to pay their taxes, like the rest of us, at The National Headquarters at Andover....

[mockney piers]

*edited for can't be arsed*

[mockney piers]

and yes my final paragraph is slightly reminiscent of a man...stuffed with straw...

*edited for but you'll never know mwah ha ha ha*

[AllforNun]

Morning coin boy, the joy of remote access ! and being trapped for several hours with nothing to do but blog ! now i have lots of shit to smash up today so if you do not mind !!

[Brendan]

DaveR Wrote:

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> Plus what the hell has banking regulation got to

> do with allocation of resources?

In a capitalist system money is how resources are allocated. In the type of capitalism that has been promoted and is widely practiced in Britain especially with privatisation, Private Funding Initiatives etc. the banks are responsible for a large part of the money supply.* When the banks are essentially funding your infrastructure, social services and commerce not having proper regulation is just insane.

The way I see it banking regulation really has quite a lot to do with the allocation of resources.

Anyway ze Germans are all for proper regulation to secure future stability and they are considerably smarter than the English.**

*At a cost to the public, especially future generations, that is will end up higher than traditional public financing through taxation. But that is another argument.

**This is what is known as tongue-in-cheek antagonism.

[Mikecg]

I think the Police did a sterling job and they were very controlled and to my mind they did the right thing, I am proud of them they were provoked by some pretty agressive middle class bratts and were'nt having none of it. I thought they were very tollerent and they commanders managed the situation impecably 10 out of 10.

[Jeremy]

From what I can gather the police did a reasonable job... but there are always a few who are a bit too "up for it", I reckon.

[Mikecg]

Yeah you a right Jeremy but when faced with the situation with the adrenalin flowing heat of the moment and fear I'd crack a few skulls as well.

I thought they were very controlled at first and they co-ordinated the situation perfectly, I think the world was taught a lesson in crowd control by the boys in blue, the Police in other countries where the G summits have taken place always appear to be more heavy handed and the containment manoeuvre they implemented was a stroke of genius.

A reason to be proud of em.

My highlight of the whole thing was waving ?10 notes out of the windows at the protesters HAHA!

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

At the risk of appearing mawkish, there was a quote on London Live Radio from a man whose son, a serving policeman, texted his dad after the day to say "I'm ok, but yet again I was insulted, spat upon and somethingorothercan'tremember, and I couldn't retaliate. I've had enough, I'm getting out"

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

....and I couldn't retaliate. I've had enough, I'm getting out"

Must be one of the most frustrating jobs in the World, sometimes.

Besides the above, you are confronted with the scum of the earth, occassionally (like the Guy in Peckham last week who finished his loyal, trusting, Staff Terrier off, by throwing it off a Tower Block after allowing it to be injured in a dog fight and then put the remnants in a Council Bin) and then, often, you finally get to Court after all the endless Red Tape and you know, sometimes, the Guy is Guilty, as do his Defence Lawyers and he gets off, sometimes on a "Technicality"...much easier to boot the the "Staff Terrier thrower" off the same block and put his remains in the local skip..>:D<

[Brendan]

Mikecg Wrote:

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> My highlight of the whole thing was waving ?10

> notes out of the windows at the protesters HAHA!

Make you feel like a big man did it Mike?

[SeanMacGabhann]

I heard that too PGC - incessantly in the end as they clipped it into a trail, but still. Something didn't sit right with me about it....