General Election 2015

[Jah Lush]

Recorded today. Loathsome Dave.

https://soundcloud.com/the_e_r_c/loathsome-dave-eccentronic-research-council-ft-maxine-peake

[Loz]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Recorded today. Loathsome Dave.

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> https://soundcloud.com/the_e_r_c/loathsome-dave-eccentronic-research-council-ft-maxine-peake

Good lord - it's like a recording from an post-pub Occupy meeting. Close your eyes and you can almost see them all sitting around making jazz hands at the end.

[????]

I am rather enjoying the angst and hatred of the metropolitan middle classes all over social media, it's enough to make you vote Tory.

[Jah Lush]

Pushing thru the market square

So many mothers crying

News had just come over,

We had five years left to sigh in - David Bowie

[red devil]

???? Wrote:

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> I am rather enjoying the angst and hatred of the

> metropolitan middle classes all over social media,

> it's enough to make you vote Tory.

What would the young ???? have thought of the older ?????...

[Otta]

Haha, do you reckon he would've glassed him?

[TillieTrotter]

I'm with quids actually. I was initially shocked at the bile and aggressiveness being bandied around, everyone who didn't vote the same as me is a thick wanker, turkey, should be ashamed etc. But I decided to find it amusing rather than rise to it!

[aquarius moon]

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[Otta]

Some people are genuinely now fearful for their jobs. Yeah fecking hilarious.

[TillieTrotter]

What you rather though otta, mass brawls on social media? What's done is done! That is no reason to start chucking stupid and nasty insults at people with different beliefs.

[Otta]

And with genuine reason.

I have spent the last 3 years in a job which was basically designed to implement the Coalition cuts in my local authority. We've cut down to the bone, whilst TRYING to still help people as much as possible. And now it's going to get worse (we've already been warned) and there isn't much left to cut away. My colleague is desperately looking for another job, and I am desperately hoping she finds one so that I might be more secure because I can't see us both surviving.

So yeah, I vent my spleen a bit on facebook when I see stupid dicks who work in the NHS and vive in the burbs going on about benefits cheats and immigrants. These people are stupid as far as I'm concerned.

But if you're not at any real risk and it gives you a good giggle then great. I find that a little bit twisted though quite frankly.

[Otta]

And believe me, I've bitten my tongue and avoided being nasty to some old school acquaintances whilst they're actively gloating and saying things like "not my problem if people lose their jobs, I'll be on less tax" (yes I've seen several say that).

[TillieTrotter]

There you go assuming you knowcother peoples belief systems! You don't Otta, you just don't!

[TillieTrotter]

Well theyre wrong too! Purile

[Otta]

If they say something then I assume they mean it. I don't claim to be a mind reader.

[TillieTrotter]

Well if you're talking about particular insensitive twats then go for it but I'm talking about the whole if you don't agree with me you're a thick cunt type comments. In actual fact I wasn't referring to you as in the interest of our friendship I unfollowed you for a while! I really hope you don't lose your job, but that goes without saying x

[Otta]

I think posts were being crossed there, I'm not exactly sure what we were both responding to when.

[Otta]

I don't THINK I've actually called anyone thick or anything (I might have but don't think so).

I've more just said how depressing I find it and how scary. My Mrs make a turkeys voting for Christmas comment but she works in the NHS and I think that was directed at people in her work place (and I think that's fair).

[TillieTrotter]

As I said, I've actively avoided reading your fb comments as I knew you'd be upset. The Mrs has bandied thick wankers etc around though!

[Otta]

Have a read of mine, I just checked and I can't see anything that could cause offence except someone else's status which I shared.

I've mainly talked about where it went wrong for Labour rather than slagging anyone off.

The wife will say what she wants to say, and she'll stand by it, and it will be a cold day in hell before she changes her mind about the Tories.

When people vote based on blatant lies they are fed by the daily mail or the sun, then I don't think it's entirely unfair to question their intelligence (and yes same for those who believe everything they read in the Guardian).

[TillieTrotter]

Again a big assumption. I read no newspaper! Never have pledged my allegiance to anyone in particular! As I've said twice, I wasn't referring to any of your comments as have actively avoided them.

[Louisa]

I've been watching back over the night and more especially at the opinions spouted by the Labour elite. They seem to have spent most of the campaign looking in on themselves positively whilst dismissing the bigger picture. In other words, the urban intelligentsia are on a different planet to the rest of us. A very 'London Labour' view of the UK, totally out of line with the larger view. This has to be addressed over this coming parliament.

Two important points, firstly, a divided union. Scotland doesn't believe Labour (or Westminster in general) gives them a voice. For many Scots, the translation of this at the ballot box has been to vote SNP. Whether they believe Scotland should be independent or not. The Labour and left leaning Scottish electorate, rightly or wrongly, assume the SNP to be left of Labour. They are not in my opinion, but Sturgeon has run a wonderful and convincing campaign which has supported this assumption.

Secondly, in England (and to a lesser extent Wales), the traditional Labour voter outside of London is feeling quite a bit isolated. Across the heartlands a significant enough number is turning to UKIP primarily over fears about immigration and other working class issues that they feel the wealthy Labour elite is failing to recognise or be trusted on, and this is enough to push UKIP into runner up. In the marginals, the centre-left leaning voters are believing Labour will damage the economy and are too far to the left, and so are going over to or staying with the tories as a result.

The consequences of all of this are that Labour are seen as too far to the right in Scotland, and too far to the left in England. Labour now has to confront the rise of tribalism as a consequence of the swings on the political spectrum and the makeup of the new parliament. It will be a difficult job for the new leader.

Louisa.

[TillieTrotter]

And you see this is what I don't get. Everyone but you and your fellow thinkers are stupid enough to be fed lies, smacks of a massive ego!

[TillieTrotter]

Anyway, I've gone and done exactly what I tried not to do! For interests sake I declare that I didn't vote for the first time ever as I'm a long time out of the country!

[Otta]

I jave never said that of you vote Tory you've done so because you've been fed a lie. I've said that that is the case for some.

It's you that's taking what O say and making big assumptions out of it.