aquarius moon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 maxxi Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Voting for the party you believe in is a futile> exercise in this area if you are not Labour or LD.> - Cor, I dunno, (someone on social media might> say) just as you start to think your vote may> count and are willing to give democracy a go ...> the first past the post system shits in your> satchel and, unless you are a follower of the two> mentioned, you may as well stay home.So true. Last time some Harriet Harman reps did at least knock on the door pre-election, asking people to display posters, support them etc.This time, no-one except an independent. Nothing from any of the main parties.It's been so quiet, you wouldn't even know there was an election going on.It's such a safe seat that they don't need to bother. Which is fine by me because I vote for them anyway, but if I didn't, I wouldn't see the point in voting. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thank you for correcting Louisa's poor version of electoral history brandnewguy. I also tend to think that first past the post and democracy are a contradiction in terms. A truly democratic system would reflect voting proportions surely? If you want to lead with a majority, shouldn't you be there because the majority of those who voted, voted for you? Seems ridiculous to me that any party should be in power with just 33% of the popular vote. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> bodsier Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Simple and clear cut analysis.....> > > >> http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-f> or-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/> > Or, to summarise: the author took 77 graphs to> show he thinks Cameron is bad, but then concludes> that Miliband will only a teenie-tiny itsy-bit> better. Maybe.Was there No graph on either employment levels or unemployment. UK GDP growth compared to Other European countries cut off handily at 2012....wot no 2013 and 2014 figures, why on earth could that be? Surely not because they don't fit in with his anti-coalition narrative Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Anyway one day only to put up with the incessant shite of an election on social Media. please let there be a majority so we don't have to go through this shite again in the next year. PLEASE. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Blah Blah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Thank you for correcting Louisa's poor version of> electoral history brandnewguy. I also tend to> think that first past the post and democracy are a> contradiction in terms. A truly democratic system> would reflect voting proportions surely? If you> want to lead with a majority, shouldn't you be> there because the majority of those who voted,> voted for you? Seems ridiculous to me that any> party should be in power with just 33% of the> popular vote.Sounds like a disgruntled lib dem to me. What do you suggest as more democratic then? A system whereby we elect a handful of parties who have to agree to coalitions forever, similar to Italy, which hasn't had a stable government in decades. Be careful what you wish for. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Politics is like catch 22- the fact that someone wants to have power over people means that they have completely the wrong mentality to actually have power over the people.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Earl Aelfheah Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 All electoral systems have their flaws, but first past the post has more than most and more than should be acceptable in a mature democracy. Trying to get sitting MPs to push for change though is like asking Turkey to vote for Christmas. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 t! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Hmm, that referendum didn't offer the reforms that epople actually want, it was a ploy and the tories knew people wouldn't go for it, yet they could claim they'd given people the choice. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I agree no one cares about electoral reform other than the lib dems and other minor parties. If it ain't broke why fix it? Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnL Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Labour seem to be making a big effort on the ground.Lord Steel saying LibDems should not rejoin the coalition.Labour willing to call a constitutional Convention (wooing LibDem)Is it slightly heading Labours way ?? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 But that's how plurality works miga, it's not about party A and B jointly having more votes than party C, it's about one single party winning the most votes in a seat, however small that victory may be. It creates long term stability. I would personally rather have electoral stability long term (even if it's deemed slightly undemocratic), than long term chaos with lots of parties arguing over coalitions forever and a day. JohnL I agree the campaign is heading the way of Labour, but not everywhere. The 40 odd marginals where they need to be pumping resources remain too close to call. The likes of Steel always come out the woodwork at the late stage of a campaign to ensure the ground work for coalition building is in place for tomorrow morning. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Louisa -It's ever so slightly IMHOEvery poll and feeling on the ground may be wrong and the Tories have a majority of course :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Are we allowed to talk about this stuff today? I'm not so sure we can.Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnL Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Louisa Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Are we allowed to talk about this stuff today? I'm> not so sure we can.> > Louisa.Not allowed to broadcast anything I think.Everybody (and some famous names) tweeting (but no exit polls until 10 apparently)Gorgeous George has allegedly tweeted something he shouldn't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Louisa Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Are we allowed to talk about this stuff today? I'm> not so sure we can.> > Louisa. It only seems to apply to TV coverage.. Social media and Twitter are not affected but TV journalists cannot comment on things from Social Media. Will be lifted at 21.00 GMT 22.00 BST Foxy Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirstyH Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Any election night events on? List on Huffpost says Cam&Peck is due at c. 3am and Dulwich and W.Norwood at c. 3.30am - full list by time & alphabetic order:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/06/election-2015-declaration-times_n_7220684.html?utm_hp_ref=general-election-2015Anyone looking for analysis & detail on what's happening up in Scotland - I've been recommended Holyrood mag (https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/general-election-holyrood) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Despite what the polls say, the bookmakers seem to be predicting a slightly different outcome. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/who-win-general-election-2015-9201178This article sums it up. Labour edging ahead in popular vote and marginals, just. Bookies saying Tories largest party, Cameron favourite to remain PM, just.We will find out later. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewGuy Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Louisa Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I agree no one cares about electoral reform other> than the lib dems and other minor parties. If it> ain't broke why fix it? > > Louisa.LOL - cos it's broken. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55666-general-election-2015/page/14/#findComment-845286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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