TE44 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Anyone watch this documentary on channel 4 las night,It was about the kids who developed narcolepsy after having the swine flu vaccine. It was so sad to watch these children and families lives changed forever. It makes me wonder what people who believevaccines should be mandatory feel about this.Glaxo Smith and Klines refusal to look at the possibility it could be connected with vaccine wasIn my view criminal, regardless of the govermentCovering them from taking any responsibility for individual claims for vaccine damage. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think it should be looked in to, but if it's proven that there is no link, that should be well advertised.Lots of people still believe that their severely autistic children were "totally fine" before having the MMR Vaccine, and are completely convinced that this caused it. This has been proven to be total bollocks, but that is not a juicy headline, so no one shouted about it and the myth lives on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoC Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What Otta said. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Studies have been done proving the link. Can you imagine how hard it must be for these family to beFaced with the whole pro vaccine sympathy while theYears roll on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Can you find a link to peer-reviewed studies on this?Seriously - this is MMR all over again. Stop it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just watching it now, haven't reached a part where they prove a link yet.Granted, it's horrible, but equally a whole community of children dying due to a measles outbreak would be horrible too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Now that I've watched it all, one doctor in Sweden and unspecified "government backed research" claim to have proven a link. Or did I miss something? Sensationalist reporting at it's best. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/19/swine-flu-vaccine-narcolepsy-uk"The government U-turn follows a major study of four- to 18-year-olds by the Health Protection Agency which found that around one in every 55,000 jabs was associated with narcolepsy. A spokesman for GSK said it had details of around 900 people from 14 countries who had narcolepsy and were vaccinated."I'm sorry but I think I'd take those odds. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Can you find a link to peer-reviewed studies on> this?> > Seriously - this is MMR all over again. Stop ithttp://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0114361There's more at bottom of this link. Although you seem to have made your mind up.There is no question of the link with this vaccine, the question was up till recently looking at a certain fillerin the vaccine,this study is looking at the H1N1 antigens and the manufacturing components. I'm no scientist but would appreciate anyone translating the differences between the making of the two different vaccines Arepanrix and Pandemrix.I would have thought there would have been some explanation in laymans term, from manufactures or maybe there hopingpeople will just see it as these anti vacs again, maybe even believing some may see it as an mmr thing again, seriouslydavid get a grip. The mother who said even if someone said sorry, just to show there human.Otta Lucky you and me to have a choice, at others expense,As the likely hood of the two scientists Stephen Krahling and Joan A Wlochowski court case against Merck draws closer,(no hurry there then 2010)I've noticed sensationalist reporting is encouraging passing the blame to people who choose not to vaccinate,yet time and time again these companies break the law, get a slap on the wrist a $3billion fine and contract for the next new vaccine. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 TE44 Wrote:------------------------------------------------------> The mother who said even if someone said sorry,> just to show there human.I'm sure the substantial financial payout they'll receive will more than make up for lack of apology.I do have sympathy with the unlucky ones, but at odds of 1 in 55k, I would call the risk pretty insignificant. > Otta Lucky you and me to have a choice, at others> expense,Being as my family and I all had thinning 2009 I'm not sure what you're saying. I do remember that injection really hurting as they pressed the plunger, and I'm fine with needles. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Otta, did you watch it, i'm taking it you didn'tOr maybe you just couldn't understand the nightmare these people are going through, a pay out mayCompensate you in that situation but the motherI was refering to has spent years watchin her childs life deteriate, no explanation or compassionHas been shown. But hey no big surprise that people not in that situation cAn believe money would be enough. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm not unsympathetic, pf course it would be dreadful,and money wouldn't change that.My point is simply that sad as this is for these people,they are a tiny number, and the vaccination likely did way way more good than bad. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybeanz Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I agree, terribly sad.Always so difficult especially with new vaccines - as is pointed out above, do you take the risk of a potentially fatal illness or risk suffering side effects?Personally, I'd rather wait and see with a vaccine. I did not take the whooping cough vaccine when pregnant (brand new recommendation) as who knows what the risks are yet. The doctor's receptionist gave me a very hard time but it is down to personal choice at the end of the day and for me there was not enough info out to know what to do, so I did not have it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-830896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 The difficulty with diagnosing narcolepsy must also be recognised here, unfortunately a major study toHelping with a diagnosis was retracted. Link below.http://autoimmunepatient.com/wordpress/There seems to be a problem with being able to Translate findings into a language parents can understand. It makes it difficult for people to Find info without going to sites that have been Accused of manipulating facts, facts that are oftenHidden from the public through language.I understand many people have neither the time orInkling, and may feel safe enough knowing the experts will take the care for there safety. Companies have been fined time and time again forNot putting safety first, protecting there own interest. GSK were practically forced into doing aStudy on this link, after pressure from other countries, who had listened to the people on there streets protesting. It was not enough for GSK who may have save others from this nightmare condition If they'd listened to the first findings. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/55353-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/#findComment-831207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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