Earl Aelfheah Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't know whether the parking restrictions outside Sainsbury's Local (up by the Plough) have changed, but they were a bit unclear for a while (there weren't any signs on the posts for ages). Whether they have or not, it now certainly seems that you can't pull up outside, before 7 pm (a rule roundly ignored by almost everyone, from what I can tell). It seems to me that this is the main time people want to pop in (after work) to pick up a few items, that stopping there is happening regardless and that it isn't really causing a problem. Why don't Southwark just remove the restrictions? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Why not indeed. I've asked.If you would like to be included in the email exchanges please email me Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I always assume no parking during the bus lane operating hours (i.e. 0700 to 1000 and 1630 to 1900)?Are they ignored then? I've never actually noticed tbh.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I've never struggled to find a parking spot along that section so I don't see the need for these restrictions. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lowlander Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I always assume no parking during the bus lane> operating hours (i.e. 0700 to 1000 and 1630 to> 1900)?> > Are they ignored then? I've never actually> noticed tbh..Yes, you're right you can't stop between 1630 and 1900 - which is generally the time that Sainsbury's is most in demand. I can't see a good reason for the restrictions personally and judging by the number of cars which ignore them, it suggests I'm not alone. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebsC Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My dad got a ticket 2 weeks ago in the post for having parked there shortly after christmas at 9.56am. No ticket was left on the car though so we can only presume it was a camera car that saw him. So they are enforcing it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 If it's being enforced by cameras, then I imagine it's a bit of a cash cow. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawdy-nan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 1600-1900 also when the road is most busy. There are often very long queues extending past Crystal Palace Road Junction towards the Barry Road crossroads. The "parking" area is the bus lane and obstructing that means the buses (3 high frequency routes) have to also sit in the traffic. The restrictions do serve a useful purpose. There is recessed parking on the opposite side of the road.Maybe customers who need to use their cars to shop (because of the quantity of shopping, for example) could use the Sainsburys at Dog Kennel Hill, during peak hours. where there is adequate parking. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I can think of a very good reason for there to be restrictions at the Sainsbury's Local, namely to avoid massive tailbacks all the way to Towny Road at peak times. I am always surprised that the usually vulture-like wardens seem to avoid ticketing Sainsbury's Local offenders (as they do the delivery vehicles on Rye Lane, but that's another story) and yet slap a ticket on people who are causing nowhere near as much congestion in other SE22 spots. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's a very short stretch of road outside the Sainsbury's Local, maybe 50 metres. The bus lane starts there (just past the junction of Crystal Palace Road, so you're talking about maybe two bus lengths. The idea that it could cause tail backs to Townley Road is far fetched. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> It's a very short stretch of road outside the> Sainsbury's Local, maybe 50 metres. The bus lane> starts there (just past the junction of Crystal> Palace Road, so you're talking about maybe two bus> lengths. The idea that it could cause tail backs> to Townley Road is far fetched.I walk past there around 1800 most days (Townley Road to Mount Adon) and there's often traffic from around there right up until the south circular.It starts to slow around Townley and grinds to a halt around Goodrich.Edited to add: This traffic isn't caused by the bus lane...the blocking of which just slows down the buses Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewGuy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 bawdy-nan Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Maybe customers who need to use their cars to shop> (because of the quantity of shopping, for example)> could use the Sainsburys at Dog Kennel Hill,> during peak hours. where there is adequate> parking.Absolutely. I can't imagine why so many people drive to a '... Local' or '.... Express'. They're designed ? and located ? as walk-in, walk-out local convenience shops. Some customers might have mobility issues, but for the majority it's sheer bloody laziness, I suspect. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimH Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 BrandNewGuy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> bawdy-nan Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Maybe customers who need to use their cars to> shop> > (because of the quantity of shopping, for> example)> > could use the Sainsburys at Dog Kennel Hill,> > during peak hours. where there is adequate> > parking.> > Absolutely. I can't imagine why so many people> drive to a '... Local' or '.... Express'. They're> designed ? and located ? as walk-in, walk-out> local convenience shops. Some customers might have> mobility issues, but for the majority it's sheer> bloody laziness, I suspect.What? Are you being serious? How ridiculous!! Just because something is labelled as a ?local? or an ?express? does not necessarily mean that a) it is local to people who shop there or b) you cannot do larger shopping trips there. Maybe more limited shopping trips but you could easily get enough groceries to warrant a car drive. Add to that the need to nip to a shop for a last minute ingredient half way through cooking something, inclement weather, kids, living halfway down Crystal Palace road etc then you can see quite a few reasons why people might drive to A Sainsbury?s local. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Once again, it is a clash of attitudes, namely the "oh sod it, the rules don't apply to me and I really must have that pizza/curry leaf/bottle of cava" culture and the "I won't park there because it'll likely cause a lot of people inconvenience, and it's not allowed anyway" way of thinking. You have choices, people! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawdy-nan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm just saying that if you "need" to be able to park near a shop (and one of the reasons I could think of was that you had too much to carry easily) then there is a Sainsburys nearby which caters very generously for customers in cars and if you're in your car anyway it's not much further to go ...Sainsburys themselves describe their "convenience" stores as being for those on foot:"Sainsbury?s Local stores are the smallest in the Sainsbury?s estate; typically around 4,500 sq ft gross (3,000 sq ft sales). They provide local people with quality, fresh, affordable food within walking distance of their homes and for those needing to top up their shopping".So, not an especially ridiculous assertion. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Allowing cars to pull over here, if anything, would improve traffic flow as far as I can tell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewGuy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 JimH Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> BrandNewGuy Wrote:> What? Are you being serious? How ridiculous!! Just> because something is labelled as a ?local? or an> ?express? does not necessarily mean that a) it is> local to people who shop there or b) you cannot do> larger shopping trips there. Maybe more limited> shopping trips but you could easily get enough> groceries to warrant a car drive. Add to that the> need to nip to a shop for a last minute ingredient> half way through cooking something, inclement> weather, kids, living halfway down Crystal Palace> road etc then you can see quite a few reasons why> people might drive to A Sainsbury?s local.Of course I'm not being ridiculous. A quick check on Google maps suggests that it takes two minutes to drive from halfway down Crystal Palace Rd to the Sainsburys Local and five minutes to drive to Sainsburys, Dog Kennel Hill with a car park. So, for the sake of those few minutes, people want to park outside Sainsburys Local in a bus lane at everyone else's inconvenience? Thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Going to Sainsbury's DKH for a couple of items on a Saturday is great, oh yes Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennys Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 If you are only buying a couple of items you can walk to either Sainsburys, or indeed the co-op, I think. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Driving to a local store for a pint of milk eggs and bread is just bone idleness and the reason this country has high obesity/health/recession problems.I live a 5 minute drive/10 minute walk - and walk every time. by the time you've driven, got through the lights and found a parking space, what have you saved? 10 minutes max. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Loving the need to tell each other how to live this aspect of their lives, Vis could have a character 'lazy bastad grocery shopper' who can't be arsed to walk 20 mins total for the extra cooking apple while his pastry goes limp back at the kitchen.LMFARO Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-816989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry_17 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 James, Is the percentage of total council revenue attributable to parking and speeding tickets publicly available information? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-817099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton0807 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The signs were clear before no parking between 7 am and 10 am and 4 pm till 7 PM you could park there between 10 am and 4 pm quite clear to me just a lot of people can not read signs then moan when they get tickets Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53665-parking-outside-sainsburys-local/#findComment-817116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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