alice Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 that 'freedom of speech' is a good is fake.it would mean the paedophile, the racist, the sexist could write the textbooks for schools. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 alice Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> that 'freedom of speech' is a good is fake.> > it would mean the paedophile, the racist, the> sexist could write the textbooks for schools.How? People can and do write what they want and, as long as it's within the law and they can get a publishing deal, it may even be read, but textbooks are largely commissioned by academic publishers to support the syllabus approved by the relevant government department or written by existing experts in their teaching fields. No school is going to adopt a random book as a textbook. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Blah Blah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Parkdrive Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > It's a very complex one though isn't it,> because> > muslims kill each other all the time> > > > And non muslims have been slaughtering each> other> > for decades, Northern Ireland for example,> stupid> > crass remark.> > It's not a stupid remark. My point was that the> media likes to portray fundamentalism as a battle> between the Islamic world and the West. I was> simply pointing out this is not the case, that> fundamentalism is as much a nuisance to the> Islamic world and other muslims as it is to the> west.True. In Nigeria Boko Haram is mainly killing other Muslims - without wishing in any way to diminish what happened in France this week, at the same time Boko Haram killed hundreds. Today they killed something like 17 people using a 10-year-old girl as a suicide bomber, and that has nothing to do with finding cartoons offensive. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alice Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 oh i don't know - we've got 'free' schools remember [another fake] - they choose their own curriculum[response to rpc12.05 post]but thats sidetracking... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That's ridiculous. Free schools still have to comply with the usual standards, they're inspected by Ofsted, their kids have to take the same public exams and they're subject to the prevailing laws of the country. And don't you think the parents might notice? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alice Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 some parents might be attracted by a narrow curriculum that boosts exam success.but thats not my point Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Martel Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Mick Mac Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Putting religion aside would Charlie have insulted> a race in the same way and called it free speech?http://social-justice-fire-mage.tumblr.com/post/107444852419/pm-hello-i-agree-that-no-journalist-artist Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Your grandad was Volitaire RPC? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/unmournable-bodiesThis is worth a read. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 ???? Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Your grandad was Volitaire RPC?I did say quoted... He was good at quotes, as at many other things.I believe it was actually Voltaire's biographer, but hey ho. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 It was in French too :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Was it? I thought she was English, but it was probably printed in both languages.This is a headily intellectual conversation for someone who's still on the first cup of tea of the day. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/> unmournable-bodies> > This is worth a read.good link Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 alice Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> oh i don't know - we've got 'free' schools> remember - they choose their own curriculumRobert Poste's Child Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> That's ridiculous. Free schools still have to> comply with the usual standards, they're inspected> by Ofsted, their kids have to take the same public> exams and they're subject to the prevailing laws> of the country. And don't you think the parents> might notice?I don't think it's quite as ridiculous as you make out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Do you have a scenario in mind, Otta? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneearth121 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 i am 60 years old and have been told and bought up by my parents teaching me always to respect others and others feelings (respect and be respected ) and have always been told that Freedom comes with Responsibility.........have i been bought up and told wrong ??? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 oneearth - no I personally don't think you have. I'd prefer we didn't insult each other at all - but I suspect that's not a realistic hope....... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yes - when it's personal - why make a single person feel bad ?Religions etc are always subject to scrutiny and mocking - somebody has to do this or everything is accepted as absolute and the question is, is the public able to cope with it - or should it be done on our behalf by our betters.oneearth121 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> i am 60 years old and have been told and bought up> by my parents teaching me always to respect others> and others feelings (respect and be respected ) > and have always been told that Freedom comes with> Responsibility.........have i been bought up and> told wrong ??? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneearth121 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 many single persons make the world...i have nothing against discussion or scrutiny i think its very good and very important in life But do you think life would be much more nicer if all of us did it with some respect for others. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernesto Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 maybe this is the time for not doing anythingour attempts at doing things have not exactly worked out too well Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 MI5 are already asking for increased powers. Doing nothing never seems to be the response. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 oneearth121 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> many single persons make the world...i have> nothing against discussion or scrutiny i think> its very good and very important in life But do> you think life would be much more nicer if all of> us did it with some respect for others.Yes - but someone will then take advantage and continually draw boundaries not in the middle but 3/4 along - then repeat. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Observer journalist on Sky now talking about how UK media has capitulated out of fearSays they need to face fear first to make baby step forward Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernesto Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 LadyDeliah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> MI5 are already asking for increased powers. > > Doing nothing never seems to be the response.No govenment department ever requests less powers and resources Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernesto Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 JohnL Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Observer journalist on Sky now talking about how> UK media has capitulated out of fear> > Says they need to face fear first to make baby> step forwardmore emotive & possibly shit stirring terminology - capitulation/ heroes/ cowards/ ad nauseum - none of this helps & ( broken record) doesnt to get to the nub of the problem. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/53179-how-to-teach-muslims-about-dealing-with-offense/page/2/#findComment-812664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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