New Year Fat Attack 14.7 to 12.7 in two months ...

[Mick Mac]

Was 13 9 this Monday morning, so all going ok despite the visit to Ireland at the weekend. Keep it up chaps/chapesses.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Wow, twelve pounds, Mick Mac! That's amazing - you're almost halfway there already.

[Robert Poste's Child]

PS: typed the above while eating peanut butter with a spoon.

[Mick Mac]

I'm eating a carrot.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Rub it in why don't you.

[KrackersMaracas]

katanita Wrote:

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> Out of interest, did anyone take up my suggestion

> of trying My Fitness Pal? I'm not on commission or

> anything, promise, I just think it's really

> brilliant.

I have! Think it's pretty good but I wonder how good the exercise function is? For example- I've just been to the pool and had a 45 min swim. According to the app, that's over 700 calories! I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth but that's more than running! I am also finding out to my great dismay there are many more calories in shortcrust pastry than I would like...

[katanita]

Yeah the general consensus on mfp exercise calories is that they are over generous and you should only eat back about 50-75% of them. If you are syncing it with a tracking app that's better but for swimming does that even exist?

My moment of horror was logging half a tub of taramasalata, which I love, might as well have eaten half a tub of pure lard. Ruined for me now.

KrackersMaracas Wrote:

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> katanita Wrote:

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> -----

> > Out of interest, did anyone take up my

> suggestion

> > of trying My Fitness Pal? I'm not on commission

> or

> > anything, promise, I just think it's really

> > brilliant.

>

>

> I have! Think it's pretty good but I wonder how

> good the exercise function is? For example- I've

> just been to the pool and had a 45 min swim.

> According to the app, that's over 700 calories!

> I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth but

> that's more than running! I am also finding out to

> my great dismay there are many more calories in

> shortcrust pastry than I would like...

[LadyDeliah]

I weighed in at 84.5kg on Sunday and started a reduced carb diet and more exercise (I'd been slacking a bit of late) and I weighed 82.3 this morning.

I had to go into work early for the BT guy (been waiting since 6th November for a line) so cooked chicken and veg for my breakfast (I made sure we had a hob when we built the kitchen :-D). Tasted gorgeous.

I'm going to stock up on protein and veg in the office so I can cook low carb food and force myself to do at least 3 heavy training sessions per week, plus my usual cycling about the place and see if I can't get my flat stomach and toned muscles back 

[LadyDeliah]

katanita Wrote:

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> Maybe have misread, but yes, fat will make you

> fat, as will carbs, or protein, any form of

> calories, if you eat more than you burn off

> overall. It really is that simple. GI etc only

> really that relevant if you need to worry about

> blood sugar levels.

>

> Other than that the macronutrient

> (carb/protein/fat) balance is much much less

> relevant for weight loss. More protein/fat will

> probably help you feel fuller, which can help, but

> apart from that, it's calories out vs calories in

> all the way. (If you are exercising, looking to

> keep lean muscle mass, etc, then the macronutrient

> balance has more relevance, you need carbs for

> energy, and a significant protein intake +

> strength training to keep muscle. Still need fat

> for other functions too. So it's a balance. I aim

> for a ratio of 40:30:30 carbs:protein:fat)

This is actually not true. Counting calories is totally misleading. Burning something in oxygen to get it's calorific value, bears no resemblance to the breakdown of that same substance by the body. The chemical breakdown of fat and glucose are different and the reaction of the body to each is totally different.

High levels of glucose from carbs causes the body to produce high levels of insulin, which then act to remove the glucose from the blood and store it directly as fat. After years of subjecting your body to high levels of carbohydrate, your insulin response can result in extreme fatigue after consumption of carbs and eventually to insulin desensitivity and diabetes.

Fat does not have the same effect on the body. It takes energy to break down (unlike most carbs) and the release of energy is slower and doesn't cause the damaging high insulin response that carbs do.

Add to that the fact that the hunger response is switched off by eating fat, not carbs and you can see why reducing carbs and increasing fat intake can actually help you lose weight.

Calorie counting has been totally discredited.

[katanita]

I mentioned the impact on satiety of fats and protein in particular, which I think is probably a significant factor. But for the rest, calorie counting has not at all been discredited, lots of people find it very effective (I certainly did, my diet has not been remotely low carb, but has been fairly low fat, have mostly just followed the calories religiously, and lost weight at pretty much the rate predicted). I doubt I'll change your mind though, no matter what study I could dig up, or links to all the calorie counting success stories out there.

My understanding is that the impact of particular macronutrients on the body in terms of fat storage isn't brilliantly understood anyway, it's very hard to do good science on this, so not sure it's possible to be so certain either way. It would be lovely if high fat diets were great for you, though, which is why I think that idea is so persuasive.

[jimmah]

I've been using My Fitness Pal since October and it is really good as long as you are honest with it.

It will find out your weak spot, for me it was denial about how many chocolate digestives I ate.

I linked mine with Endomondo which tracks activity and you get a really clear picture of what you're doing right and what's wrong.

There's also an email they send out which is surprisingly interesting (not the usual spam) different exercises and recipies

[Mick Mac]

Apart from weight loss, with the money I have saved not drinking this month, I am going to buy a house in the village.

Non drinking finishes Friday, going out for dinner and drinks :) woohoo.

[Mick Mac]

13 stone 2.4 lbs this morning.

If I turn sideways you might miss me.

[????]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Apart from weight loss, with the money I have

> saved not drinking this month, I am going to buy a

> house in the village.

>

> Non drinking finishes Friday, going out for dinner

> and drinks :) woohoo.

So that will be Thursday 29th of Jan then that yous stop stopping what happened to the rest of the month?

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Im making no progress. MUST be my age. Must meet you over the 6N's MM and you can let me into the secret of your success!

[Sue]

Nah not age, I'm doing the 5:2 having realised I was resembling an elephant, and I've lost around half a stone in three weeks.

Probably a large percentage of water, but still, I'm quite chuffed.

Haven't completely given up alcohol, but drinking a lot less than I was :)

[Mick Mac]

???? Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

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> > Apart from weight loss, with the money I have

> > saved not drinking this month, I am going to buy

> a

> > house in the village.

> >

> > Non drinking finishes Friday, going out for

> dinner

> > and drinks :) woohoo.

>

>

> So that will be Thursday 29th of Jan then that

> yous stop stopping what happened to the rest of

> the month?

Inclusive non drinking days from Sunday 4rd January to Thursday 29 January with one night off is 26 days less 1 is 25 days.

I'm v pleased with that as its more than I have done for a while. I was in Ireland until the 2nd and in Ireland on the 15th. So I haven't had a drink in England this year :)

Being as its being coupled with a diet which means no treats of food or drink variety I'm sitting back admiring my self control. I'm over the moon and cant wait for the weekend.

if you don't like it you can stick it. :) I sometimes wish you were as happy and relaxed (and slim) as me Quids.

[numbers]

katanita Wrote:

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> Out of interest, did anyone take up my suggestion

> of trying My Fitness Pal? I'm not on commission or

> anything, promise, I just think it's really

> brilliant.

I started using it after you suggested it katanita and although I think it has been an eye-epener (e.g. one day I thought I had eaten hardly anything and been really good, it told me I was almost at my full allowance of calories - eeks). I like how it tells you whether you have met your protein, fat allowances etc. The only thing I dislike about it is having to fill it in every day (lazy of me I know but I find that it a chore). I get all enthusiastic at first and then I can't be arsed later on as the drudgery of the week takes hold. Maybe I just need to be more strict with myself about it to help achieve my goals.

My favourite app is Weighbot by tapbots (same people who developed tweetbot). I like the simplicity of it. Very motivating to see those graphs on a downward trajectory.

PS well done mick you are doing really well only one complaint really, your posts aren't as funny anymore. the price we pay eh? ;)

[Mick Mac]

Yes Numbers, humour was also banned for January.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I'm completely failing to make any progress. Had to fend off unwelcome advances yesterday and by the time I got home I was so cross I compounded it with ice cream.

[????]

"aren't as funny," doesn't mean they were side spliitingly good before

[Mick Mac]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> I'm completely failing to make any progress. Had

> to fend off unwelcome advances yesterday

that's a nice problem to have.

[Mick Mac]

???? Wrote:

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> "aren't as funny," doesn't mean they were side

> spliitingly good before

This is cyber bullying. I'm taking a forum vacation.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> > I'm completely failing to make any progress.

> Had

> > to fend off unwelcome advances yesterday

>

>

> that's a nice problem to have.

Not really. It's frustrating when you've said no in all the ways you can think of, thought they'd got it and then find out they didn't. It's only a nice problem if you fancy them.

[Jah Lush]

100.

Eat shit Quids.