Boxing Day Fox Hunts 2014

[Blah Blah]

Yep, couldn't be more condascending if you tried AM.

Missteak, it IS the same people spewing the same 'we know better than everyone else' crap. Banter? Nah, just the ramblings of a very small number of people who actually think someone gives a hoot what they think.

[Alan Medic]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> > What did Davis say about animal welfare apart

> from

> > ask a question? What clue is he missing?

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>

> People genuinely into animal welfare don't need to

> ask those kind of questions because they already

> know the answer.

As I don't know the answer why don't you educate me?

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Aq Moon. This is where I find the horse racing thing odd. You mention fishing, shootin and the rest but you are happy to bet on horses. Pay to feed into a sport that is essentially horses being whipped and cheered on by us for entertainment. Seems to me a contradiction.

[????]

Ah, great Snorks returns. Seasonal greetings.

[Robert Poste's Child]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> > Plenty of people who hunt, fish and shoot

> consider

> > themselves animal lovers

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>

> Well then, they shouldn't because they're not.

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> How can you possibly call yourself an animal

> lover, then go fox hunting & see a living fox

> ripped to shreds, pull a living fish out of the

> water & bash it on the head or shoot a living bird

> from the sky?!

Hounds hunt as a pack. Usually the first one breaks the fox's spinal column, killing it instantly, so it's already dead when it's broken up. It's not something I want to do myself these days even if it were legal but, to be honest, I don't have a problem with it and I don't think it's helpful to sentimentalise about wild animals.

[aquarius moon]

AM, what I meant was that most people involved in animal welfare know what kind of people participate in various blood sports. Certain ones are practised more by the middle/upper classes because they have been brought up to think it is okay. I gave the royal family as a typical example because they have all gone out shooting on Boxing day from a young age, therefore a way of life to them. I was born in the countryside. It was only the people who had money & owned their own horse who went fox hunting. Again, they did it from a young age because their parents encouraged them. My family were working class & were always opposed to it. I'm not saying that ALL middle classes are pro and ALL working class are against. Just an observation regarding the majority.

As for dog fighting, fishing etc I think that is mainly done by people who don't value the life of a living creature rather than a class thing.

HMB, Hunting, shooting & fishing means going out with the sole intention of killing something. I'm sure racehorse owners don't race their horses in the hope that they will fall & break their neck.

You can't really compare it with pre-meditated killing.

And you make it sound like I'm down the bookies every weekend. One bet in years & can't even remember when I last had a bet before Silver Treasure!

[DulwichFox]

Hypocrocy:-

Prince William has gone hunting deer and wild boar in Spain -

just a day before he was due to make a public plea to end the illegal wildlife trade.

A royal spokesman said the duke was a "passionate advocate" for wildlife.

The Royals are a Joke BUT not funny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26105706

DulwichFox

[Parkdrive]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Hypocrocy:-

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> Prince William has gone hunting deer and wild

> boar in Spain -

> just a day before he was due to make a public

> plea to end the illegal wildlife trade.

>

> A royal spokesman said the duke was a "passionate

> advocate" for wildlife.

>

> The Royals are a Joke BUT not funny.

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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26105706

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> DulwichFox

Did you expect anything different from a royal?

[steveo]

Spotted Quids

[missteak]

The royals should be hunted down and torn apart by dogs. Humanely of course.

[Otta]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> The only people who think fox hunting is a class

> war issue are it's supporters, who like to label

> opposers as townies and plebs, if they are upper

> class, and townies as having no understanding of

> the countryside, if they are the countryside

> aliance, and loony lefties if they are ????.

>

> Any idea that dogs ripping a living thing apart,

> after chasing it to exhaustion, is cruel, is an

> alien concept to those who support fox hunting. So

> it just has to be an 'us and them' class thing

> right? And I don't even know who appointed AM as

> an authority on who genuinely cares about animals

> and who is only 'ptretendin'. Contemptuous

> indeed.

I totally agree with you that fox hunting is no better / different to dog fighting / badger baiting.

I don't however agree that "The only people who think fox hunting is a class war issue are it's supporters". I think that's a total nonsense, and there are blatantly plenty of people who are against it more out of wanting to stop the toff's having their fun than out of any particular interest in the fox's welfare.

[KidKruger]

"And you obviously know best KK, being such an animal lover yourself."

I don't proclaim to be above / below anyone in regards to animal 'loving' or anything else.

I just commented on your holier-than-thou tone which came across as an unfair put-down of others.

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Snorks, your Nick Cave album is in the post, Happy Chrimbo

[kiera]

I quite agree with Blahblah. In my own experience,it is only supporters of fox-hunting who like to feel superior by insisting it's class jealousy. It's insulting to those who care about cruelty and it's meant to be. It also enables the hunt supporters to avoid having to engage with the issue of cruelty.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Agree with Otta. It's why Tony B Liar was so keen to ban it - a token of what the party faithful would regard as a bit of dismantling of the old class system.

[????]

yop, whilst cruise missiles tore apart kids in Baghdad, New Labour socked it to the toffs

*stands up and sings The Red Flag*

[Otta]

I don't think RPC was praising Tony B or New Labour, I think the point was that it was an attractive cause for them as it won votes of those that simply like to sock it to the toffs.

Going on about Iraq every time New Labour get a mention is about as helpful as going on about coal mines closing every time someone praises the right to buy.

And I say that as someone that never voted for Blair's Labour.

[steveo]

Where would all those simple minded country bumpkins be without all us sophisticated townsfolk dictating how they should behave?

[Blah Blah]

Fox hunting may well be predominently the perserve of the upper classes historically but that's doesn't take anything away from the issue of cruelty. Many country people do see foxes as pests, but there are humane ways to deals with pests and fox hunting isn't one of them.

Robert, even if the first dog does kill the fox instantly, you take no account of the stress and panic endured by that fox leading up to that kill. Running at full pelt from a pack of hounds doesn't seem to be a painless act to me.

[DulwichFox]

Pro hunters seem to voice conflicting views when trying to justify reasons for the hunt and cruelty.

Some will say 'The Fox is a pest and Fox population needs to be controlled.

Hunting is an effective way of achieving this.'

On the other hand some will say 'We might be out all day and not Take a Fox.

The numbers actually killed is relatively small'

The pleasure would seem to come from the Chase and frightening a poor animal out of its wits.

DulwichFox

[Parkdrive]

steveo Wrote:

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> Where would all those simple minded country

> bumpkins be without all us sophisticated townsfolk

> dictating how they should behave?

You mean all those well heeled townies that have moved in to villages and hamlets across the length and breadth of the UK, displacing locals who can no longer afford to buys homes in places they and their ancestors where born and raised? I also believe the argument that fox hunting ban is a threat to local employment is a weak argument. Tens of thousands of miners were put of work by mines being decommisioned, but I don't recall us townies making such a big deal of that. Remember that nice man Tebbitt telling us to get on our bikes to find work like his dear old dad? What a c**t

[Robert Poste's Child]

Blah Blah, I'm not suggesting it's pleasant for the fox, just that it involves a (for want of a better expression) natural process that is a normal part of life for wild animals. The fox may usually be the perpetrator - like tigers and some domestic cats and dogs, they do kill for fun as well as food - so it's part of the natural law it lives by.

Like I said, it's not something I want to do but I don't feel as censorious about it as many people seem to.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I would happily go ratting with a borrowed terrier, if anyone has one on offer though. Also lamping, but only if I can drive...

[steveo]

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[Alan Medic]

You got to the drink steveo?