Cash to make East Dulwich safer?

[Brendan]

That?s white collar crime that is, or ?financial services?

[????]

and with the'leaverage' you can buy 10 sticks and repeat the process all over again and we'll all be wealthier for ever...

[bigbadwolf]

???? Wrote:

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> Why don't they just give us a ?5 each as the vast

> majority won't be a victim of crime it would be

> for the greater good.....utilatarainism rules

Are you kidding! If they do that the majority of you will end up giving it to that conwoman of varying description.

[Michael Palaeologus]

Started with the Pharoahs making pyramids that did. Grasping swines.

[honk]

FelicityNormal Wrote:

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> Is Honk a racist prick? :)

>

> The key factor in ED being relatively low-crime is

> the fact that it is now a very middle-class area

> (it certainly wasn't always). Middle-class

> neighbourhoods tend to have lower levels of street

> crime. It has nothing to do with race, it has to

> do with class. A black middle-class neighbourhood

> will also have low-crime. England is such a mess

> in terms of racism that a black middle-class

> neighbourhood in London does not even exist,

> however I've lived in black middle-class

> neighbourhoods abroad and there is low crime.

> When you have a good career, nice home, are

> educated and so on you tend to feel less incentive

> to go out into the street and knife your peers.

> (That said, middle-class whites are fantastic at

> white-collar fraud crimes and deception).

Dunno, living in East Dulwich is enough to make me want to kill everyone in the entire world, starting with people like you and ending with myself, so I wouldn't say that's a completely watertight theory.

[????]

Don't be sexist BBW...it could be that plausable Tony the 'Window cleaner' fella

[bigbadwolf]

Sometimes I just don't know what I'd do without you ????. Thanks for having my back from all the Suffragettes.

[????]

I've got very good reasons, I don't want them ruining my gambling throwing their pretty little selves under racehorses

[bigbadwolf]

???? Wrote:

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> throwing their pretty little

> selves under racehorses

Ah the good old days.

[Mikecg]

what makes it middle class, a ?50000.00 a year office job. I know lots of so called middle class yuppies, and their parents worked in Metalshops Butchers and Sainsbury's. its all a load of pretentious drivel. I've met some right dodgy f*ckers in my job. and they have been a mixed bag. When I was growing up my parents taught me that there is good and bad of all peoples. you cant tar everybody with the same brush, and to generalize would be a mistake.

[FelicityNormal]

So why not move to a neighbourhood less likely to bring out your innate psychotic tendencies?

honk Wrote:

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> FelicityNormal Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Is Honk a racist prick? :)

> >

> > The key factor in ED being relatively low-crime

> is

> > the fact that it is now a very middle-class

> area

> > (it certainly wasn't always). Middle-class

> > neighbourhoods tend to have lower levels of

> street

> > crime. It has nothing to do with race, it has

> to

> > do with class. A black middle-class

> neighbourhood

> > will also have low-crime. England is such a

> mess

> > in terms of racism that a black middle-class

> > neighbourhood in London does not even exist,

> > however I've lived in black middle-class

> > neighbourhoods abroad and there is low crime.

> > When you have a good career, nice home, are

> > educated and so on you tend to feel less

> incentive

> > to go out into the street and knife your peers.

>

> > (That said, middle-class whites are fantastic

> at

> > white-collar fraud crimes and deception).

>

> Dunno, living in East Dulwich is enough to make me

> want to kill everyone in the entire world,

> starting with people like you and ending with

> myself, so I wouldn't say that's a completely

> watertight theory.

[honk]

And leave it for a bunch of cosseted ex-Home Counties white supremacists? Never.

FelicityNormal Wrote:

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> So why not move to a neighbourhood less likely to

> bring out your innate psychotic tendencies?

>

> honk Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > FelicityNormal Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Is Honk a racist prick? :)

> > >

> > > The key factor in ED being relatively

> low-crime

> > is

> > > the fact that it is now a very middle-class

> > area

> > > (it certainly wasn't always). Middle-class

> > > neighbourhoods tend to have lower levels of

> > street

> > > crime. It has nothing to do with race, it has

> > to

> > > do with class. A black middle-class

> > neighbourhood

> > > will also have low-crime. England is such a

> > mess

> > > in terms of racism that a black middle-class

> > > neighbourhood in London does not even exist,

> > > however I've lived in black middle-class

> > > neighbourhoods abroad and there is low crime.

>

> > > When you have a good career, nice home, are

> > > educated and so on you tend to feel less

> > incentive

> > > to go out into the street and knife your

> peers.

> >

> > > (That said, middle-class whites are fantastic

> > at

> > > white-collar fraud crimes and deception).

> >

> > Dunno, living in East Dulwich is enough to make

> me

> > want to kill everyone in the entire world,

> > starting with people like you and ending with

> > myself, so I wouldn't say that's a completely

> > watertight theory.

[matthew123]

So, honk, from the sentiment you have just expressed are you saying that East Dulwich is a powder keg ready to explode - and if so do you think that East Dulwich taxes are getting the bang for the buck (?42,000) necessary to combat crime, in an area incidentally that has more burglaries per capita, than for instance, south Camberwell and north Peckham?

[bigbadwolf]

You lot haven't seen anything. Round se23 even the tooth fairy comes with her Gat. Get me fam!!!

[honk]

matthew123 Wrote:

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> So, honk, from the sentiment you have just

> expressed are you saying that East Dulwich is a

> powder keg ready to explode - and if so do you

> think that East Dulwich taxes are getting the bang

> for the buck (?42,000) necessary to combat crime,

> in an area incidentally that has more burglaries

> per capita, than for instance, south Camberwell

> and north Peckham?

Burglaries yes, what with being an affluent area with stuff worth stealing.

Violent crime, not a spit in the ocean compared with the rest of London.

Which is more worthy of money would you say?

[BlueOne]

So why not move to a neighbourhood less likely to bring out your innate psychotic tendencies?

Haven't seen the old: "If you don't like our ways, get out" argument for a while!

[honk]

BlueOne Wrote:

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> So why not move to a neighbourhood less likely to

> bring out your innate psychotic tendencies?

>

> Haven't seen the old: "If you don't like our ways,

> get out" argument for a while!

It's been at least 2 days, I know!

[Brendan]

Yeah! Stand your ground. We have to fight the bleak spectre of white supremacy.

[matthew123]

Violent crime is not something to be ignored, and although it's lower in East Dulwich than some other parts of London it still needs to be prevented with the help of funding, even if ?42,000 really is a drop in the ocean.

I really don't know what race has to do with any of this honk - it seems to me that black people and white people both pay their taxes and are both worthy of crime prevention. Surely no one disagrees with that.

I don't know what money is being spent in the rest of Southwark but by god I bet it's more than ?42,000. I read that last summer Lambeth was injecting ?5.2m, yes that 5.2 million pounds, over 2 years to combat teenage crime... so that ?42,000 seems more of a token gesture.

[honk]

matthew123 Wrote:

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>

> I really don't know what race has to do with any

> of this honk - it seems to me that black people

> and white people both pay their taxes and are both

> worthy of crime prevention. Surely no one

> disagrees with that.

>

It has nothing to do with it.

By 'white' I meant 'middle class', it's a saying where I - oh, never mind.

[Jeremy]

matthew123, I'm pretty sure you've misunderstood it... 42k is not the entire budget for fighting violent crime in ED, it seems to be a one-off grant as far as I can tell. But you're right, it's a drop in the ocean.

As for honk - any excuse to play the race card, methinks. I don't think anyone said "If you don't like our ways, get out", it's just that most people wouldn't bother sticking around in a place which made them want to kill everyone in the entire world. But then again, he obviously just logs on to stir shit, so let him get on with it. It's quite entertaining in some ways.

[matthew123]

Yes Jeremy I realise that the helicopters flying above, and the police vans charging down Lordship Lane are funded by a bit more than ?42k ;-)

And since when has 'white' been a euphemism for 'middle class' - wouldn't the upper class have something to say about these 'middle class supremacists' !?

[honk]

Jeremy Wrote:

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it's just that most

> people wouldn't bother sticking around in a place

> which made them want to kill everyone in the

> entire world.

Somewhere, underneath all the layers of whining, over-privileged cosseted Home Counties types shouting their insides out about parking, and calling for the immediate public flogging of anyone 'not right'....Somewhere underneath all that is a semi-alright area.

[Jeremy]

honk, you're beginning to stray out of character.

Concentrate, please!

[honk]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> honk, you're beginning to stray out of character.

>

> Concentrate, please!

If we can keep the tone of this thread somewhere around 'predictable sarcasm', we might distract people enough to ward off another Ocado thread being created.