Is Penge the new East Dulwich?

[Otta]

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> Can't Penge just be the 'New Penge' or just

> 'Penge'? All this East Dulwich comparison sounds a

> bit desparate??

THANKYOU!!!!!

I don't want to be the new bloody East Dulwich. I don't feel at home in East Dulwich these days and I want to live somewhere I feel at home.

I felt at home in Sydenham, and I feel very at home in Penge.

[Bovine Juice]

Some of the people dismissing Penge on here clearly haven't been there for a very long time. References to the market (which has long gone) display a view established well before the recent changes. I've lived in Penge 18 years. When I moved there it was a tatty, down at heel place with very little going for it apart from cheap good Vistorian housing stock and a variety of train lines providing very quick routes into town (Penge East to Vic 17 mins). It's improved a hell of a lot in the last three or four years but it's definitely not the new East Dulwich. It's the new Penge.

[Parkdrive]

MrsMcC Wrote:

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> Don't see what's wrong with either Parkdrive, the

> High Street might not be 'pretty' but it's

> practical with most things you need and I've never

> had a problem on it in the 8 years I've lived

> there. Maple Road is a nice street with two very

> good caf?s, The Blue Belle

> http://www.bluebellecafe.co.uk and a Blue Mountain

> also the second hand shop further down is always

> worth a look. Different strokes.....

Seriously it is grim, and nothing can pretty it up. My sons have a few friends that grew up and live in Penge and we visit the place on occasions and we and they think the place is grim, and they live there.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

I'm looking at houses/flats in Penge on Saturday. I'm looking forward to it.

[Louisa]

Still old working class London values that's why Otta. Who wants to replicate a false homogenised Middle England view of the world by colonising an area with a set of culturally elitist ideals (East Dulwich circa 2014). Penge is real, it is what it is, it's not pretentious and it's far friendlier than ED.

Louisa.

[????]

4/10 too many cliches upfront

[Parkdrive]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Still old working class London values that's why

> Otta. Who wants to replicate a false homogenised

> Middle England view of the world by colonising an

> area with a set of culturally elitist ideals (East

> Dulwich circa 2014). Penge is real, it is what it

> is, it's not pretentious and it's far friendlier

> than ED.

>

> Louisa.

You REALLY don't know Penge at all do you? Friendly is one thing Penge isn't. Unless of course your definition of friendly is risk of being attacked, knifed, robbed etc, then yeah it's really friendly.

[Bovine Juice]

No, Parklife, you don't know Penge at all. I've lived in Penge 18 years and have no experience of attacks, knifings, robbings, etc. 18 years of avoiding the daily life you seem to think exists in an area you don't live. Where is it in Penge you keep visiting? Penge is large - I live on the Sydenham/Beckenham side and there are pockets elsewhere I wouldn't go to and wouldn't need to, but then I'm sure there are even parts of East Dulwich that don't have quaint delis or gastropubs...

[TillieTrotter]

Listen up people, Parkdrive has made his case again and again. He doesn't live there but people he knows do and it isn't friendly although it seems some of you that live there think it is. How come you lot don't get knifed and attacked but Parkdrive does? I agree with him, it doesn't seem friendly or nice at all.

[Parkdrive]

Bovine Juice Wrote:

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> No, Parklife, you don't know Penge at all. I've

> lived in Penge 18 years and have no experience of

> attacks, knifings, robbings, etc. 18 years of

> avoiding the daily life you seem to think exists

> in an area you don't live. Where is it in Penge

> you keep visiting? Penge is large - I live on the

> Sydenham/Beckenham side and there are pockets

> elsewhere I wouldn't go to and wouldn't need to,

> but then I'm sure there are even parts of East

> Dulwich that don't have quaint delis or

> gastropubs...

So you've not been aware of the street gangs that have troubled Penge in the past few years? Clearly you really have no idea. I live in Beckenham and have done for 16 years, so my sons and I do have knowledge of the area, but you carry on burying your head in the sand pretending Penge is something it isn't.

[Parkdrive]

TT suggest you read the last post. At no point have I said I'd been stabbed, or attacked but the area has a reputation for it, and living close by and travelling trough regularly, I've seen evidence of same in the past so I think I some knowledge of the place.

[TillieTrotter]

I'm sure you do Parkdrive, more than those that live there. I'm so on your side.

[Louisa]

Penge/Beckenham..... East Dulwich/Peckham.... We all have a view on our neighbour and they often tend to be quite dismissive. But if you live in an area you're probably going to be more knowledgable than an outsider. I've personally always found Penge a decent place good butcher on the high street, functional shops which serve a purpose and not overpriced. But I don't live there, I don't see the area as often and more especially at night as maybe parkdrive does.

Louisa.

[TillieTrotter]

And some supporting evidence to show that Parkdrive knows whats what.

http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Constituency/65725

http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Neighbourhood/Metropolitan_Police_Service/Penge_and_Cator

[Jeremy]

I think you kind of have to live somewhere to draw any conclusions. Peckham (at least Rye Lane and the High St) is, aesthetically speaking, just about as crappy as it gets. But there's actually a lot of good stuff there.

[MrBen]

My experience: 2 months in the Treme in New Orleans, many 3am walk backs through Harlem, 5am walk backs through Stirling back home FFS?.Peckham side streets lots of times late...

?.and my only assault/mugging so far was in central East Dulwich, 3 ribs broken and phone and cash gone. Which seems to sum it up about right.

[Otta]

Only been in Penge since Feb, but haven't felt intimidated or seen any gang activity so far. And when I first set foot in a pub (which did look a but shady), I ended up having a really nice chat with a couple of people.

I don't know if that's partly because I was basically brought up in working class pub culture or what, but I like it.

High street is a bit scruffy, but have never felt remotely unsafe.

[MrsMcC]

As I said Parkdrive, different strokes. Others on here, as myself, are seeing/having the vision to look beyond what's not quite right at the moment and welcoming the changes that are happening for the positive. Sometimes when you're bought up in a place you can't see the benefits of how things are progressing as you've had enough of the place already!

Good luck H-M-B, hope you find something of interest when you're checking out the neighbourhood.

[Otta]

Of course I shall go home this evening and get mugged.

[Otta]

MrsMcC Wrote:

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> Sometimes when you're bought up in a place you can't see the benefits of how things are

> progressing as you've had enough of the place already!

Me + ED = ^^^ This

[MrsMcC]

Hope not Otta but that can happen anywhere including ED and Beckenham!

[Parkdrive]

TillieTrotter Wrote:

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> I'm sure you do Parkdrive, more than those that

> live there. I'm so on your side.

Glad to hear you agree with me, as you've decided to make this a personal vendetta I thought I'd send you a personal message but decided against it. Better off I return the favour and slag you off in public, as clearly YOU know everything there is to know about the place and rest of us know sod all, and have no right to post out views. Penge, according to some, may have improved, I've yet to experience it. Hence the posts. That ok with you, or are you going dig up some more stats just to show us all just how wonderful you are?

[MrBen]

MrsMcC Wrote:

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> Hope not Otta but that can happen anywhere

> including ED and Beckenham!

And that means even right behind a fully manned police station. C?$%?.

[Parkdrive]

Crime as we all know can occur anywhere, but that doesn't alter the fact that Penge is not, as some would have you believe, the knew South London shangri la

[MrsMcC]

Check out 'Friends of Flavours' on Green Lane for good Italian food, they've also got a children's menu at ?4 a dish. I was in there on Saturday for lunch with my Mum and husband, very nice it was too. After I was given a voucher card where if you visit on a Sunday or Monday in Oct/Nov and buy two mains you get a free bottle of wine.