Borderlands Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Don't know if any East Dulwichers go anywhere near Peckham but the threat to the "townscape" is very real as Southwark Council gets further in a mess with the need to raise money by downplaying any desire/need to protect what we have and relying on resident apathy. They appear to be completely at the beck and call of developers who may offer thin community benefit (but not social housing which can easily be forgotten during the process. And the councillors/council officers seem to be scared to protect or object to the destruction of our local character on their electorate's behalf.The plans for despoiling Peckham Station with a high rise are just the start. The Croydon town centre style now ruining Lewisham could be just round the corner. Please take a minute to sign the petition to try and stop this- or at the very least get plans reconsidered:http://www.change.org/p/protect-peckham-s-rooftop-viewThanks Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hmmm. I think scores of flats for people to live in, and the associated regeneration it might well bring, trumps the disappointment over a slightly marred view of a few thousand blow-ins between June and September. Frank's will be over in a few years anyway, once the hep cats discover that Upper Norwood is where it's at. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 A lot of people throw blame and ineffectual ideas around about house prices, but the only way you will bring down (or at least level off) London house prices is to build more. Lots more. Lots and lots more. And, in zones 1-4, pretty much the only way is up.So you can be a NIMBY, but don't complain when you are priced out of London. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Homes need to be built, no doubt. But we are talking Southwarkhttp://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/look-heygate-estate-whats-wrong-londons-housing Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But we are talking Southwark> > http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/look-heygate-estate-whats-wrong-londons-housingFrom that article:Average compensation given to leaseholders of one bedroom flat: ?95,480Average compensation given to leaseholders of four bedroom flats: ?177,421I heard about this on ITV news the other day. That sort of payment for a compulsory purchase for a London flat (even in a craphole) must be way below market rate. Is there an appeal? I can't see that being upheld. Which will throw their maths out a lot. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Apparently they fought the CPO and lost. I don't know whether that means they can't challenge the amount. But that displacement map suggests a lot of them have had to move miles away to afford something. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounge lizard Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Those amounts do however represent a massive return on the purchase price if they were bought as a right to buy purchase. A investment return far in excess of what most taxpayers could hope to achieve Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Assuming they were all the original right to buy buyers.And even so, it means nothing in real terms. They have been forced to sell their homes, and given nowhere near enough to buy anything similar anywhere near where they live. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I am against the right to buy scheme, always have been and always will be. It didn't take anyone with half a brain to see that over time it would lead to a housing crisis which has now become reality. But I really can't blame anyone for taking advantage of the scheme and good luck to them. As Otta says, any profit made by leaseholders on the Heygate estate is meaningless as the compensation they have been offered is insufficient to buy a similar property in the same area or anywhere near, and, as they are no longer tenants, it is no longer the responsibility of the council to ensure they are rehoused. They have got the rough end of the deal and dismissing their plight by saying they received a good return (possibly) is callous.As for opposing the plans for the regeneration of Peckham, it seems to be that some people are very selective about the regeneration, wishing to keep and enhance the Victorian elements, to gentrify rather than regenerate. Might have happened 20 years ago but now the need is for more and more housing (see first para of my post). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah regarding the OP, I can't sign any petition stopping a load of homes being built just so people have an uninterrupted view whilst they sip their beverage from a roof top bar.But any opportunity to highlight the total fuck up that is the Heygate situation is okay with me. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 There's derelict houses everywhere - the shop that got burned down in the riots is still a shell and the Greggs next to it - there's a mouse infested area next to co-op house.Why not in fill - that makes the area look better to start with. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Homes need to be built, no doubt. > > But we are talking Southwark> > http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/look-> heygate-estate-whats-wrong-londons-housingThis was covered on the Inside Out programme on BBC 1 last week. I was shocked when I saw it. Probably still available on iPlayer. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Building more 1 and 2 bedroom 'luxury flats' in the private sector for investors to speculate on, will not have a noticeable effect on prices. We need a significant increase in social housing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 ... and significant efforts to grow the northern cities. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Wow, just read that New Statesman article. Southwark Council officials should be jailed for such incompetence / negligence. How can they have sold a 22 acre site in central london on our behalf and lost money on it? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Still, if you believe the simplistic 'supply and demand' argument, then selling off the Heygate Estate to developers in this way will significantly reduce house prices in Southwark right? Ha! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Mustard Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> This was covered on the Inside Out programme on> BBC 1 last week. I was shocked when I saw it. > Probably still available on iPlayer.Cheers for that, I'll try and find it later. Am really interested in this story.rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Wow, just read that New Statesman article.> Southwark Council officials should be jailed for> such incompetence / negligence. How can they have> sold a 22 acre site in central london on our> behalf and lost money on it?I read another article which showed that several former Southwark housing officers are now working for the developer. Read in to that what you will. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Can't find the report now, but this blog talks about ithttp://betterelephant.org/blog/2013/04/09/report-uncovers-corruption-at-the-elephant/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Thanks Otta, that is really quite startling. How on earth has there not been an investigation into this. It has the appearance at least of serious wrong doing / fraud. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Franks/Bussey all well and good, at least they have got people talking about Peckham in a positive light for a change. But is the view from the roof more important than creating new housing? Is preserving the current hipster hangout of choice (for three months of the year) more important than the redevelopment of a crappy-beyond-words shopping precinct? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Mustard Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > This was covered on the Inside Out programme on> > BBC 1 last week. I was shocked when I saw it. > > Probably still available on iPlayer.> > > Cheers for that, I'll try and find it later. Am> really interested in this story.> > > rahrahrah Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Wow, just read that New Statesman article.> > Southwark Council officials should be jailed> for> > such incompetence / negligence. How can they> have> > sold a 22 acre site in central london on our> > behalf and lost money on it?> > > I read another article which showed that several> former Southwark housing officers are now working> for the developer. Read in to that what you will.Just checked iPlayer, it says 7 hours left to watch it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Here you go, a petition to open investigation into sale of Heygate Estate:Please join this campaign: https://www.change.org/p/the-secretary-of-state-for-communities-and-local-government-eric-pickles-we-call-on-eric-pickles-to-investigate-allegations-of-governance-failure-poor-financial-management-and-potential-fraud-at-the-london-borough-of-southwark-relating-to-the-sale-of?recruiter=152746700&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Here you go, a petition to open investigation into> sale of Heygate Estate:> > Please join this campaign:> https://www.change.org/p/the-secretary-of-state-fo> r-communities-and-local-government-eric-pickles-we> -call-on-eric-pickles-to-investigate-allegations-o> f-governance-failure-poor-financial-management-and> -potential-fraud-at-the-london-borough-of-southwar> k-relating-to-the-sale-of?recruiter=152746700&utm_> campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=s> hare_petitionSigned, thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerTime Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Heygate Scandal is a disgrace. Councillors who have been involved from the start (and those councillors are cross party) will tell you that the colaition changed the rules giving them no option but to follow through. I don't accept that. And it's a process that has been repeated in Hackney too. There's something fundamentally wrong with the people we elect when it comes to their competance regarding regeneration and housing.That said, I broadly agree with the sentiment above. We need housing, and we need AFFORDABLE housing. The view of a few people at the top of a car park isn't really a valid objection to that need. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If you think that there are lessons to be learnt from the Heygate regeneration, then please do sign this petition calling for an investigation / review (and share it with others): https://www.change.org/p/the-secretary-of-state-for-communities-and-local-government-eric-pickles-we-call-on-eric-pickles-to-investigate-allegations-of-governance-failure-poor-financial-management-and-potential-fraud-at-the-london-borough-of-southwark-relating-to-the-sale-of?recruiter=152746700&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/49039-petition-to-save-low-rise-peckham-views-and-prevent-high-rise-despoliation/#findComment-781805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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