Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I dunno. Khan has never had the unbridled cockiness of Hamed. Maybe that's why Khan has been able to cope with defeat much better (yes the Prescott loss was a shock but he bounced back admirably). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 But Hamed did the cockiness so well, he played the part and people wanted to see him get smacked in the face, which is why he was such a good draw. Eubank too. Mayweather is the current master of that, people pay to see him because a lot of them want to see him knocked off his perch. But Hamed / Eubank / Mayweather are all great showmen and that's what it's all about really.Khan has just never been able to get over to the public. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 On a different tack, what fights are people looking forward to in 2015? Or what fights would people like to see in 2015?Matthew Macklin vs Golovkin in Feb will be a cracker but sadly I judt don't think there is anyone to beat Golovkin at the moment. He's like a Russian tank. I wonder if he'll look to move up a division if he wins this one. Is there anyone left for him at middleweight? Will Froch get a final fight in Vegas before he retires?At Welterweight there is a surfeit of talent - PBF, Pac-man, Bradley, Khan, Brook, Marquez and I'm hoping Keith Thurman begins to make some headway - he looks talented and hits really hard. Fights between all of these are guaranteed humdingers.Up with the big fellas I think we might see Tyson Fury in against Wlad and I think an upset might be on the cards. could we see the first ever Gypsy heavyweight champion of the world? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I reckon Fury might take Wlad.Pac-Man Mayweather is of course the one that keeps getting talked about, but I've kind of given up hoping for it because it should have happened 4 years ago and now it just feels like Pac-Man may have left it too late. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Khan's an incredible boxer, his chin is fine, the guys who've KO'd him have KO'd plenty people and are known punchers.He is careless and pays the price, but he's got huge balls IMO and just can't resist getting stuck-in which unfortunately costs him fights.However, I'm not a Khan nut-hugger, he's flawed in several ways including over-elavated view of where he is in boxing.When he was hanging-on (and on) for Floyd he was probably under impression that it'd be just a couple of months, then just a few more months, rendering himself by default out of contention because he became an inactive and recently defeated candidate.Shawn Porter showed one way to beat Alexander. Khan seems to be fighting one of the few lighter punching WWs, I expect this is not by chance.I think he and his team would do the journey differently if they had another chance, but it's now near the end so they gotta think about how they close the show. And everybody wants to fight Mayweather and double their career earnings.There are so many fights out there he could make, but avoids, it's a shame and also partly due to the multi-belt set-up which perverts the naturaprocess of best fighting best.I won't bother predicting asince I got 2/3 predictions wrong for the domestic card at Excel two weeks ago ! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Fury beating Wlad? No way. No way on earth can that happen.Mayweather/Pacquiao looks like it could be on. But if it doesn't work out, and Khan wins tomorrow, maybe Pacquiao/Khan in a UK stadium fight next summer?Think you Murray (not Macklin!) vs Golovkin. I can't see it being particularly competitive. I think he should step up a weight and face Froch or Ward. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You don't think Fury could take him?He's big. Bigger than Wlad. That never happens so will make Wlad think twice to start with and have to adapt his style. Second, Fury can jab well and work behind it. He's got stamina. He hits hard and I'm never sure about Wlad's jaw, it's just that most fighters can't get near it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Basically, I just think Fury is complete shite. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 2015As usual, it could be a better year than it will actually be due to politics and teams using multi-belt as a mechanism to avoid the best/dangerous fighters.Cotto v Alvarez will be a decent contest, I see the young bull wearing-down the older warrior.Thurman needs fighters with guts to face him, same with Brook and Golovkin. Bradley, Provodnikov, Kovalev, Saucedo, Carl Frampton, Froch, Eubank, Bradley Saunders, Frankie Gavin, Fury, Frank Buglioni (though he may be reaching his limits, but always a good contest), Shawn Porter (even though Brook beat him, he's a formidable opponent).Also quite keen to see what Lebedev, Oville McKenzie and Huck do this year. I wonder if Huck will try HW again, he gave a very good account for himself against Povetkin.I don't think Fury has the experience for Vlad, how could he ? Perhaps a lucky punch could win it for Fury but other than that he goes to sleep in 6-7 IMO.Let's no forget Wilder, something like 30-0 all KOs. He's fighting Stiverne I think in like Feb, winner gets WBA belt (I think) then fights Vlad for unification.Not so interested now in Chisora, Cleverley, Bellew.Oh and Naseem Hamed is still saying he's coming back, so that'll be somnething to look forward to.The one I am watching since 2012 is Alex Saucedo, he's just on the edge of the spotlight but a couple of wins will get him into the public eye - he's something like 3 years old, been fighting since he was an embryo and has 900 fights all wins.Did you see the BIZARRE end to the Pascal contest on Saturday ? YouTube it - absurd !! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Murray v Golovkin... If Martin Murray keeps his hidey-face stance with Golovkin (the way he did with Martinez) he'll get his torso crushed, I just can't see what his game-plan will be.I think Golovkin needs to sort out all the runners in his division before he moves up. There's unfinished business and thos runners are finding fewer places to hide. Saunders might end-up having a go in a year or so, seeing as the top boys are too scared. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think Fury is a total moron, but I actually do rate him. Twice (including against Chisora) he's switched to southpaw just for the hell of it. That has to take some talent. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah but Chisora is even worse!I reckon any boxer could switch to southpaw if they'd trained to do it.Fury will get found out before too long. I am sure of that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I won't shed any tears if he does, but think he could surprise you. Even Chisora didn't do too bad against a Klitschko. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 118-110 | 118-110 | 119-111Against a 40-yr old Vitali.Chisora is garbage. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 punch Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> 118-110 | 118-110 | 119-111> > Against a 40-yr old Vitali.> > Chisora is garbage.He stayed in with him for 12 rounds. That isn't something to be ashamed of.Not that I am saying he's good. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I really think Haye would have dealt with Fury easily.If he hadn't cancelled.Twice. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The whole Haye thing was a bit sad really. I do believe that he was hampered against Wlad, because say what you will about him, he was no coward, and that fight just looked like he couldn't really go for it. Then it all just ended in a bit of a fart.I think he's still officially active, but doubt we'll see him back in the ring.And yes, I think he'd have beaten Fury. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Sounds like Khan was impressive, and predictably he immediately calls out Mayweather. I would totally give him all the credit in the world if he fought and beat Mayweather, but I'm not sure Mayweather fancies the fight (maybe not a big enough draw for him),and I can't see Khan troubling him really. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-806956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The fight is big enough for Floyd... huge UK stadium fight plus US and UK PPV, surely bigger than the likes of Maidana or Guerrero. But like you say, I think Mayweather outclasses Khan all day long. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-807001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Didn't see the Khan fight.There's a view that Khan's jumping the WW queue for Mayweather, that he's recently not shown good enough form to be worthy to fight Mayweather. But it'll obviously be down to which opponent brings most money.I think Thurman and Brook should be ahead of Khan but I don't think Floyd cares what I think.The good win this weekend was Andy Lee (Irish) getting the WBO Middleweight strap by beating Matt Korobov in 6 rounds. This is the same Korobov that Peter Quillin (Kid Chocolate) vacated the WBO belt for, to 'chase other options'.Quillin also has never mentioned Golovkin the whole time he held a belt.Andy Lee and Bradley Saunders is a huge potential fight now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-807002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 To be fair to Khan, Mayweather was stupid to do that public vote on who he should fight,then do the opposite. You can see why Khan probably feels he's owed a shot at the big man. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-807076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffers Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I watched the fight and Khan was outstanding, wising up as time goes on.This is interesting re what's next - http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/14/amir-khan-boxing-devon-alexander-floyd-mayweather Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-807089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Khan's beaten Alexander and Malivnaggi.So has Shawn Porter.It's gonna be solely down to money so even if Khan was the best opponent available (I don't think so) it doesn't mean he'll be next to fight the man.I see hm pissing away up to a year waiting for his 'big' fight.He could make equivalent money fighting Brook (Hearn has already said ?4m at Wembley and has provisionally booked a date in late spring next year). It'll be a shame, love or hate Khan, if he wastes what will be a huge part of his remaining career avoiding decent match-ups in the hope of a single contest.If he keeps doing what he did on Saturday he won't need to beg and the fans will cry out for it, for me he's hugely disadvantaging himself by mentioning Floyd like his name is a feckin consonant. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-807151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well, it seems like this is the closest we've got to PBF vs Manny for a long time.Could it finally be on?At long last? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/4760-one-for-the-boxing-fans/page/42/#findComment-814488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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