Best Boozer in East Dulwich

[*Bob*]

hurray!

These posts are useful for me though, because know I know that should I ever find myself melancholically harking back to some 'the way things were' golden age - instead of taking a look at my own life and what might have changed there - It's time to pack myself off to Switzerland.

[Jah Lush]

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. I'm happy today as I've always been. Pubs were good and bad in the past just as they are today.

[Otta]

Whatever you think of harking back, relating a post like foxy's to the BNP is pretty shitty.

[*Bob*]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. I'm happy

> today as I've always been. Pubs were good and bad

> in the past just as they are today.

Life's what you make, not what's 'done to you'. Good on yer, Lush. I salute you!

[titch juicy]

Otta Wrote:

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> Whatever you think of harking back, relating a

> post like foxy's to the BNP is pretty shitty.

The same bloody minded, ingorant intolerance to change is what I was getting at. I wasn't suggesting he was racist, as I imagine you knew.

[Seabag]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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>

> Why would it hurt? She made a fortune and banked a

> few hundred grand into the process, and enjoys a

> far better quality of life. No, she's laughing at

> the deluded fools living in ED who think thye've

> done really well. Now that would hurt you I'm

> sure.

Good luck to her, up there in Hereford/Glosterland

Tho thinking about it, "she' must have had the very biggest of houses to sell in Dunstans Road 20 odd years ago. I'm glad she's cock-a-hoop with her good fortune, so much so she can snort with derision at the very place and people she made her considerable stash from

I too hope to move to my Shangi-lala Melon Farm, but in the meantime i'll have to settle with the house I bought 15 yrs ago. Thankfully my delusion allows me to function in this, the most cosmopolitan of sh*tholes

I'm sure she feels my pain

*kicks chicken box*

Edited to add: I've kicked a 'virtual' chicken box here. As finding one on my street's proving somewhat challenging

[Louisa]

20+ years ago ED was a no-mans land not even on the map but retained a real community sense and had a good mix of people both white and black, mostly working class but no exclusively, and we all just got on reasonably well. It's never been perfect then or now, and people do sell up to move somewhere leafier as they get older, what's wrong with that? London is fine when you're young but after being a slave to the system your whole working life why not pack up and cash in to live somewhere that suits? ED since landing itself on 'the map' has become something else, just like the rest of horrible London. I now much prefer Brockley if I'm being honest, because it still feels like ED did those few decades ago, but guess what, it has bigger Victorian houses and is on the Overground, oh wait....

Louisa.

[Otta]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Whatever you think of harking back, relating a

> > post like foxy's to the BNP is pretty shitty.

>

> The same bloody minded, ingorant intolerance to

> change is what I was getting at. I wasn't

> suggesting he was racist, as I imagine you knew.

Nope, I didn't know. But you've clarified, so fair enough.

Although I still think it's a bit harsh on what DF actually said. I could be wrong with this because I'm seeing it through a child's eyes, but when I think back to my dad using the CPT when I was little, it really did feel like a community kind of thing. And a pub landlord really was a figure in that community. Saying that was nice and that you miss it is not bloody minded, ignorant intolerance.

[Otta]

As a complete aside, the mention of Dunstans Road made me think of a house (well garden actually) along there.

About 10 years ago I "knew" a bloke (knew through other people, I actually thought he was a complete psycho) who was renting a flat on Dunstans Road. It was a very nice flat (first floor of a house). The house had an old petrol pump out front which was interesting, but the best bit was the garden. At the end of it was this little mini folly tower type thing, I'd never seen anything quite like it. Would have LOVED it as a kid!

And that is the end of that fascinating story.

[Louisa]

Totally agree Otta. But I think that's a change which has happened London wide, and maybe even urban wide across this country. Lots of changes such as Sunday trading laws and the food onslaught for survival have all transformed the pub from being at the heart of the community to somewhere you go for a bite to eat. Hence the death of the boozer. Whenever I visit the west country I still see these types of landlord dominated community pubs, but sadly they are almost exclusively rural, they appear not sustainable in London because of all the crap foodie snobby brigade.

Louisa.

[Otta]

It's not really the fault of the people that eat in pubs Lou, it's largely the fault of the PubCos that made running a pub so bloody hard for the people trying to make a profit.

[red devil]

Otta Wrote:

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> The house had an old petrol pump out front which

> was interesting

I remember seeing this a few years back, someone please tell me it's still there...

[Jah Lush]

It is.

[*Bob*]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> It is.

It had a twin (same owner?) - another house - on Upland - which also had a petrol pump out front. That one was taken away a couple of years back (the pump, not that house)

It makes me so sad and angry. All the front gardens used to be filled with petrol pumps and life was great. But then they started taking the petrol pumps away and new people arrived and the new people weren't quite like the old people so now I just stay at home alone and cry into my dinner mostly.

[titch juicy]

Otta Wrote:

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> titch juicy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Otta Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Whatever you think of harking back, relating

> a

> > > post like foxy's to the BNP is pretty shitty.

> >

> > The same bloody minded, ingorant intolerance to

> > change is what I was getting at. I wasn't

> > suggesting he was racist, as I imagine you

> knew.

>

>

> Nope, I didn't know. But you've clarified, so fair

> enough.

>

> Although I still think it's a bit harsh on what DF

> actually said. I could be wrong with this because

> I'm seeing it through a child's eyes, but when I

> think back to my dad using the CPT when I was

> little, it really did feel like a community kind

> of thing. And a pub landlord really was a figure

> in that community. Saying that was nice and that

> you miss it is not bloody minded, ignorant

> intolerance.

was referring more to:

"Well at least 20+ years ago it was OUR shithole.

> And not that of the a***holes that frequent the

> bars and pubs along Lordship Lane at the weekend.

> East Dulwich Tourists. Where do they come from.?"

[titch juicy]

Otta Wrote:

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> It's not really the fault of the people that eat

> in pubs Lou, it's largely the fault of the PubCos

> that made running a pub so bloody hard for the

> people trying to make a profit.

It's what (most) people want, so pub companies deliver.

Supply and demand.

[Millhaven]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Wow, this is a shocking revelation. I always

> wondered what existed in those fabled lands beyond

> the M25.

It's a myth. The only thing that exists beyond the M25 is smog. oh and the dragons of course.

[Louisa]

New people fill their front gardens with bugaboos and used Waitrose bags.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

I disagree titch juicy. It's not what people want exclusively. And there is always room for niche in any market. Hence the survival of places like the castle.

Louisa.

[red devil]

Millhaven Wrote:

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> It's a myth. The only thing that exists beyond the

> M25 is smog. oh and the dragons of course.

I hear Bromley has more than it's fair share of maiden's in distress...

[Millhaven]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> 20+ years ago there was still a real sense of

> community.

> That has gone and I feel the likes of which will

> never be seen in these parts again.

A sense of community is still here, it is just that it has changed and you don't feel included anymore.

I'm an archetypical Londoner. One of those that doesn't actually make the first move when it comes to social discourse with my neighbours or strangers. However, when I had to knock on a few doors leafleting (re: temporarily lost pet) I found that there is very much a community and most were very friendly. I think we can sometimes make an insular world for ourselves by thinking that everything has changed and only for the worse.

[????]

There's reminiscing and there's harking back to the 'good old days'

I like reminiscing...I'll leave useless, sad, harking back to the idiots of UKIP and the w*nkers of the BNP

[Millhaven]

???? Wrote:

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> There's reminiscing and there's harking back to

> the 'good old days'

>

> I like reminiscing...I'll leave useless, sad,

> harking back to the idiots of UKIP and the w*nkers

> of the BNP

Well said, quids.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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>I now much prefer

> Brockley if I'm being honest, because it still

> feels like ED did those few decades ago, but guess

> what, it has bigger Victorian houses and is on the

> Overground, oh wait....

>

> Louisa.

I really like Brockley too.

I ran my business out of their for a about a year.(tho I've moved to 'edgier/cheaper per sq ft Deptford)

Lovely big houses, wide streets with a healthy scattering of nutters to strike fear into the faces of the middle classes, or anyone else for that matter

It's got a 'spoons (thankfully, cos then we know where the nutters are) and a few cafe's that sell nice coffee and cakes

And it's got one of the best 'award winning' food markets around, (Brockley Market) with a healthy mix of producers and people selling hot food (like wood fired pizza) from stalls and cute old vans. Very nice on a Saturday indeed

It's also dead easy to commute to with the new overground and it's only minutes away from Canary Wharf. Is that a good thing tho

Hmmmmm....oh and Professor Green is a resident

See you at the market on Saturday Louisa ? it's very communal indeed

[Louisa]

I've been a few times to Brockley market, it has a great vibe to the place. It's quiet, but not too much so. It has a good mix of people, great caf?s and shops, large Victorian and more importantly affordable (just about) housing, with the Overground right on the doorstep. It still maintains a spoons alongside poncy pubs and boozers alike. Something for everyone. Not sure who Professor Green is? Does he works at Goldsmiths?

Louisa.