Otta Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I wrote"it's to see if f you"Er, just for clarity, that stray f was a typoo. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-761639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerTime Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Hmm..well on the one hand there are illegal settlements, that the UN has been powerless to do anything about.On the other there is Hamas, who do what they can to in turn provoke Isreal.And then there is the Gaza Strip where Palestinians are subject to regular curfews, which can sometimes last days.And there is also the issue of water.Isreal absolutely abuse their power. They can do so because of nuclear muscle.If Hamas were to dissolve, would the plight of ordinary Palestinians improve? Whatever is going on with the politics and conflict of the region, Isreal ARE oppressing the people of the Gaza Strip, and the World is letting them do it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-761692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Bah, pointless debate. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-761694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Troof ????> > 'Western powers' should be prefaced by 'well> meaning' before we enter into a bout of> self-flagellationI'd say greedy, ruthless and self-interested were more accurate descriptions of the Western powers' involvement in Isreal/Palestine and how can it be self-flagellation to point this out, unless you are one of the powerful involved? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-761732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Whoops, bit of a late cross post lol. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-761733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 PokerTime Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Hmm..well on the one hand there are illegal> settlements, that the UN has been powerless to do> anything about.> > On the other there is Hamas, who do what they can> to in turn provoke Isreal.> > And then there is the Gaza Strip where> Palestinians are subject to regular curfews, which> can sometimes last days.> > And there is also the issue of water.> > Isreal absolutely abuse their power. They can do> so because of nuclear muscle.> > If Hamas were to dissolve, would the plight of> ordinary Palestinians improve? Whatever is going> on with the politics and conflict of the region,> Isreal ARE oppressing the people of the Gaza> Strip, and the World is letting them do it.The world is indeed standing by and doing nothing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 If Hamas was scared of nuclear muscle would they be lobbing rockets into Isreal (sic)? Israel has stated that if they stopped doing that then the air strikes would stop.What do you suggest the world does? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northlondoner Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Surely Mark Regev is the best PR the Palestinians could ever hope for. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Israel has stated that if they stopped doing that> then the air strikes would stop.Sometimes these things need to be negotiated a bit more deftly than "if you stop we'll stop" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 ABC News - lying bastards.http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> If Hamas was scared of nuclear muscle would they> be lobbing rockets into Isreal (sic)? > Israel has stated that if they stopped doing that> then the air strikes would stop.> > What do you suggest the world does?How about bringing Israel to task over the heavy handed tactics it uses against the Palestinians for starters, bulldozing their homes to make way for Jewish settlers, puts pressure on Israel to dismantle the West Bank barrier it put up restricting movement and access, and portions of which stand on Palestinian territory, just for a start? Considering the centuries of oppression and hatred Jews have had faced you'd think they'd know what it feels like to be victims of such barbaric measures. Nothing learned from history eh? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Excellent response PD. Worth a read.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-week-9596120.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Jah Lush Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Excellent response PD. > > Worth a read.> > http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-> backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-wee> k-9596120.htmlExcellent read, shamefully not something widely circulated. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag237/jahlushhead/55bf96ef-fc0a-4080-8866-c1ab92fb01bb_zps17f87979.jpg Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Bollocks. Stop the rockets. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well of course there will be a cease fire soon, and there'll be few Israeli dead and the Palestinian body count will stretch into the hundreds as per the last 10 times this has happened.And Israel still won't talk to Hamas, and everyone will still be stuck in a prison whilst their water and land are taken away slice by slice.And there won't be any concessions of any sort because the Israeli state has opted for a permanant state of 'war' in return for the ever increasing settlements and the land grab.To make a gun ownership comparison, it's like the school massascres in the US, occassional rockets are just something that needs to be put up with in order to keep the status quo.So anything more constructive than 'stop the rockets'? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgrant Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 so how long can this continute with an attrition ratio of 30:1 ?We are gonna run of Palestinians soon. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Bollocks. Stop the rockets.Ignorant, suggest you read your history. You've just embarrassed yourself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Stop the rockets is a start. Hamas couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. They'd get my sympathy if they had a voice that wasn't one long scream of violence. How do they help their people if they don't face facts?They won't eradicate Israel so get real. Talk.Where are their friends apart from this forum? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Stop the rockets is a start. Hamas couldn't> organise a piss up in a brewery. They'd get my> sympathy if they had a voice that wasn't one long> scream of violence. How do they help their people> if they don't face facts?> > They won't eradicate Israel so get real. Talk.> > Where are their friends apart from this forum?Scream of violence also applies to Israel, yet again you've demonstrated your jaw dropping ignorance in respect of this issue. Sit down in a quiet room and read up on your middle east history, you may be less prone to embarrassing yourself as much in future if you can be bothered. Unbelievable Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Funnily enough I don't feel even slightly embarrassedHow far back would you like me to read? Tell me when to stop Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh yeah, we're friends of Hamas, idiotic thing to say. Hamas rockets achieve nothing and i agree that they're utterly self-defeatring, they think it applies political pressure, but the Israeli population seem able to live with the status quo, even those that sympathise with the Palestinian cause.The world doesn't give a shit, at least not enough to pressure the US to pressure Israel to make genuine movement towards compromise.And of course Israeli demographics push it further and further away from any sort of settlement. The Israel of 25 years ago that wanted peace is now sidelined, the hawkish centre right absolutely dominates the middle-ground now and its only going to go further right.So given that doing nothing achieves nothing and setting off fireworks achieve nothing, i can see why you'd do the latter rather than bow down and accept your fate, though if I lived there i'd certainly be asking them to stop as its the civilians who suffer as usual.Of course Hamas will negotiate and would do a deal, they just want a better deal than the non-state lay-over-and-play-dead deal that Fatah signed up to; local power for Israels scraps from the table.A starting point might be one where your nose isn't daily and brutally rubbed into the the indignity, powerlessness and destitution of your existence. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgrant Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Where are the rest of the reactionary sock puppets to back Steveo up when he needs them ? poor show Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Funnily enough I don't feel even slightly> embarrassed> > How far back would you like me to read? Tell me> when to stopYou should if you have any decency, you really should feel ashamed of yourself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 El Pibe Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Oh yeah, we're friends of Hamas, idiot.> > Hamas rockets achieve nothing and i agree that> they're utterly self-defeatring, they think it> applies political pressure, but the Israeli> population seem able to live with the status quo,> even those that sympathise with the Palestinian> cause.> The world doesn't give a shit, at least not enough> to pressure the US to pressure Israel to make> genuine movement towards compromise.> > And of course Israeli demographics push it further> and further away from any sort of settlement. The> Israel of 25 years ago that wanted peace is now> sidelined, the hawkish centre right absolutely> dominates the middle-ground now and its only going> to go further right.> > So given that doing nothing achieves nothing and> setting off fireworks achieve nothing, i can see> why you'd do the latter rather than bow down and> accept your fate, though if I lived there i'd> certainly be asking them to stop as its the> civilians who suffer as usual.> > Of course Hamas will negotiate and would do a> deal, they just want a better deal than the> non-state lay-over-and-play-dead deal that Fatah> signed up to; local power for Israels scraps from> the table.> > A starting point might be one where your nose> isn't daily and brutally rubbed into the the> indignity, powerlessness and destitution of your> existence.Excellent stuff Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46363-palestinian-pr/page/2/#findComment-763810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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