Hunger

[Azul]

have you seen it ?

There's a brilliant talk between bobby and the priest that takes something like 20 minutes in a single take.

Makes me wonder if its not time for Ireland to pick its balls from the ground and take NI into the republic.

I wonder even with all the crap labour has done, if cameron won't be another maggie. possibly a little more girlie.

[EDOldie]

Thought it was more about his determination and state of mind rather than the er, 'Irish question'. Where was Mervyn Rees for instance? I was a bit disappointed that there wasn't a lot more about the political side of the whole affair which I find fascinating. The death scene was very convincing. Brilliant direction, Michael Fassbender brilliant, great film.

[SeanMacGabhann]

I'm expecting Dulwich Paradiso to have this in their next season - I haven't seen it yet

[mockney piers]

It could never happen today fortunately.

Thanks to the miracle of outsourcing, noone ever need know ;-)

[Huguenot]

Objective review here

Some exceptional observations

"[bobby] explained that the slaughter of the innocent was necessitated by his desire for a change in the administrative arrangements under which his homeland was governed. He hadn't actually been expelled from his homeland, like the Palestinians, seen his people subjected to genocide, like their Zionist terrorist persecutors, or been enjoined to kill by a religious imperative, like the jihadists of our own day."

"I appreciate that my responses to this beautifully made film are uncharitable, immoderate and indeed reprehensible. Yet, the men heroised in Hunger chose to murder my fellow citizens, on their own island and mine, indiscriminately and brutally, in pursuit of a cause I consider unimpressive. What do you expect me to feel?"

These people are just nasty nasty little men. No glamour, no romance, just dirty prejudice and the sickening twisted cowardly persecution and murder of everyday people. Poo protests were simply an extension of the sh*t they smeared over everything they touched.

The crashing tragedy is that they were unwilling to remain the only victims of their soiled strategies, they dragged the hopes and aspirations of so many broken families with them. Murder gave them the identity they craved, and presented a neat solution to the dilemma 'why are we here?'.

Azul mate, I've plenty of respect for your views, but in treating NI as an entity to be traded you ignore the rights of the residents to choose their own destiny. That's both a bad thing, and the root of the problem.

[Jimbob]

Azul Wrote:

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> have you seen it ?

>

> There's a brilliant talk between bobby and the

> priest that takes something like 20 minutes in a

> single take.

>

> Makes me wonder if its not time for Ireland to

> pick its balls from the ground and take NI into

> the republic.

> I wonder even with all the crap labour has done,

> if cameron won't be another maggie. possibly a

> little more girlie.

have you got your fucking head screwed on, ireland take ni into the republic, brings to mind rose mcgowan,s similarly ill informed comment about the ira. leave well alone what you don,t know about.

[trinity]

Thank you Huguenot and Jimbob for your response. I too was horrified by Azul's comment and too angry to reply coherently.

[mockney piers]

I thought everyone was just being diplomatic, keeping the matches away from the blue touch paper.

Nothing to see here, move along.....

But yeah, my first thought on reading the OP was Rose McGowan too.

[Brendan]

Not being Irish or specifically Northern Irish or effected in any way by the issues I cannot comment either way on right or wrong suffice to say that I don?t think the English have the right to an opinion either.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Bollocks. What's got into you today man?

Anyone can have an opinion on anything as much as you have a right to disagree with anyone's opinion.

[Brendan]

I was merely reflecting the sentiment in the initial reaction to Azul?s post. ie that it was rubbish and ill informed etc.

Now I think I remember Jimbob to be Irish so his outburst was justified but a lot of the other righteous indignation for what was and opinion was not.

[trinity]

But Brendan you can't tell in a forum who is English and who is not.

I grew up in Belfast - my opinion is valid and based on years of first hand experience. I don't know if Huguenot has a connection with Northern Ireland but his remarks are spot on.

[Brendan]

What annoyed me most was the tone of David Cox?s article which oozed a certain pompous self righteousness that if presented to me in a social situation would earn the bearer a black eye.

[????]

147 posts by 4pm?

[Brendan]

You running a book?

ps. I would like to state categorically that I am not advocating violence but merely expressing my disdain for a certain journalistic sentiment.

[mockney piers]

He wants that 5000 posts accolade I reckon quids!!

[Brendan]

I reckon I could have it by 3:30.

Just exactly how relevant do these posts have to be?

[mockney piers]

Depends how hungry you are.

[mockney piers]

baddam

[mockney piers]

errrr......

[mockney piers]

tish?

*3 more*

Ooh, text size has gone

[????]

*tumbleweed blows accross thread

[Huguenot]

Good heavens Brendan, the English don't have the right to an opinion on Northern Ireland?

We were the victims of an indiscriminate bombing campaign from 1971 to the recent past, targeting innocent memebers of the public. The IRA staged assassination attempts on both our Prime Minister and the Queen, and murdered several prominent politicians.

The attacks only targeted English towns, not Scots or Welsh. It was racial, and it was 'personal'.

The attack in Brighton in 1984 was aimed at destroying the democratically elected political leadership of our country.

The Birmingham Pub bombings took place less than 20 miles from the house where I grew up, murdering 21 and injuring 162.

2007 tax spending was 7,121 GBP per head in England, and 9,385 per head in NI, meaning the English are effectively bankrolling the region to their own disadvantage.

Whatever your prejudices concerning political affiliations in Ireland, the English certainly have a right to an opinion.

[Jah Lush]

Well put Huguenot. I had a friend at school whose mother was among many who were blown to bits at Aldershot barracks by an IRA bomb. Terrorism is what it is no matter who perpetrates it.

[Jeremy]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> 2007 tax spending was 7,121 GBP per head in

> England, and 9,385 per head in NI, meaning the

> English are effectively bankrolling the region to

> their own disadvantage.

To add to this... the government are definitely spending a lot of money on NI. They are giving large companies financial incentives to set up offices over there, and it's seen a lot of regeneration. It's not like England "stole" Northern Ireland and then left it to rot. As far as I can see, it's being treated as a priority.